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One hidden feature I find manufacturers typically include is extra sound deadening at higher trim levels. For example, our Honda Odyssey is an SE, and it has a bit more road noise than the Elite or even the EX-L trims above it that we test drove. Come to find out, the higher trims actually have a different windshield (2-ply or something, don't recall) for better noise insulation. They likely add more sound deadening between the frame and interior trim too.

I wonder if this will be a thing with the Lightning. For example: simply removing it or cutting it way back for the Pro model to help achieve that price point. The Platinum likely has much more; contributing to weight and less range. Curious how or if the XLT and Lariat will differ from the two mentioned trims too.

Anyone have thoughts on this?
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Would be cool to see them offer the active noise cancellation from the Explorer Hybrid. Still don’t know why that’s only an option on the hybrid though. Seems like it would be just as helpful on all the higher trims.
 

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Having sounded deadened two vehicles, I can tell you it's not super hard. Get some sort of heavy rubbery adhesive mat to stick to panels and then put something fluffy behind it (like chopped up jeans). You don't need 100% coverage, any large metal panel that reverberates will benefit and anything past 70% coverage is overkill. I did two vans in a day each. While you're at it, you can insulate it for holding temperature better too (get the most bang for the buck behind the head liner) and upgrade the sound system. There are trim removal kits on Amazon for like 30 bucks-- I made my own 10 years ago out of aluminum bar stock.
 

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Would be cool to see them offer the active noise cancellation from the Explorer Hybrid. Still don’t know why that’s only an option on the hybrid though. Seems like it would be just as helpful on all the higher trims.
Why would you need the noise cancellation on an EV? It's on the explorer due to the engine noises, people would freak if they heard what it really sounds like.
 
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Oh, I always thought ANC was for road nose. *shrugs*

Anyone know if there's differences here between the ICE trims? Is a Lariat quieter than an XLT or XL?
 

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Oh, I always thought ANC was for road nose. *shrugs*

Anyone know if there's differences here between the ICE trims? Is a Lariat quieter than an XLT or XL?
It mostly is for the road noise.
 

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Why would you need the noise cancellation on an EV? It's on the explorer due to the engine noises, people would freak if they heard what it really sounds like.
It's the opposite of this, really. Engine noise helps drown out the road sounds. EVs are so quiet we tend to notice every minute noise so sound deadening is even more important in them.
 

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One hidden feature I find manufacturers typically include is extra sound deadening at higher trim levels. For example, our Honda Odyssey is an SE, and it has a bit more road noise than the Elite or even the EX-L trims above it that we test drove. Come to find out, the higher trims actually have a different windshield (2-ply or something, don't recall) for better noise insulation. They likely add more sound deadening between the frame and interior trim too.

I wonder if this will be a thing with the Lightning. For example: simply removing it or cutting it way back for the Pro model to help achieve that price point. The Platinum likely has much more; contributing to weight and less range. Curious how or if the XLT and Lariat will differ from the two mentioned trims too.

Anyone have thoughts on this?
All windshields are two ply with a clear (duh) membrane sandwiched between the two layers of glass. This is a safety feature that will reduce the size of the glass shards in case of breakage. Without the membrane holding the glass somewhat together, this would be a real mess in an accident. The sound deadening that is touted by some manufacturers comes from making this clear membrane thicker. Not the glass itself, but the membrane.
 

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It's the opposite of this, really. Engine noise helps drown out the road sounds. EVs are so quiet we tend to notice every minute noise so sound deadening is even more important in them.
Yes, EV’s are quiet, but noise cancellation is not needed. But its needed in the explorer for the harmonics.

(I have an EV)
 

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All windshields are two ply with a clear (duh) membrane sandwiched between the two layers of glass. This is a safety feature that will reduce the size of the glass shards in case of breakage. Without the membrane holding the glass somewhat together, this would be a real mess in an accident. The sound deadening that is touted by some manufacturers comes from making this clear membrane thicker. Not the glass itself, but the membrane.
I *think* the windshield and front driver and passenger windows on the Lariat, Platinum and Limited are laminated acoustic glass. I'm not sure if the rear passenger windows are also laminated or if this applies to the Lightning.

Aside from the acoustic and safety benefits, acoustic glass makes it a lot harder to "smash and grab."
 

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..... The sound deadening that is touted by some manufacturers comes from making this clear membrane thicker. Not the glass itself, but the membrane.
Actually the makers of 'acoustic glass', including Carlex SoundScreen that's OE on many Ford / Lincoln vehicles, use different films and glass layer thicknesses depending on the application, acoustic attenuation characteristics, and product price-point desired. Note reference at this webpage to use of 2.1mm+2.1mm glass in some cases, 2.1mm+1.6mm glass in others: SoundScreen Acoustic Glass (carlex.com)
 

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Actually the makers of 'acoustic glass', including Carlex SoundScreen that's OE on many Ford / Lincoln vehicles, use different films and glass layer thicknesses depending on the application, acoustic attenuation characteristics, and product price-point desired. Note reference at this webpage to use of 2.1mm+2.1mm glass in some cases, 2.1mm+1.6mm glass in others: SoundScreen Acoustic Glass (carlex.com)
I don't question your post about acoustic glass as I'm not a glass expert by any means. After a trip to Alaska I had my windshield replaced on my 2016 Silverado 2500HD. I asked the guys replacing my windshield if the replacement glass was the sound deadening glass that is original equipment on the truck. They informed me that the glass is the standard thickness and the clear membrane is thicker than normal. This makes me think Ford's acoustic glass and GM's sound deadening glass are two different animals. Wow, I learned something today!
 

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... I'm not a glass expert by any means ...
Maybe helpful to at least recognize that many of the folks involved in consumer automotive glass replacement (sales and installation) aren't really 'glass experts' either. Sad but all too often true that their expertise is selling you on their highest-margin product (which may or may not be their highest-priced product) :cry:
 
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I saw laminated (double-panel) glass installed on the front side windows of the Pro model that I test drove. Didn’t see anything about it on the window sticker.

Can anyone confirm the windshield glass against different trim levels? I am also assuming the rest of the noise insulation scheme is identical throughout the range, but would be curious to hear from those that may disagree.

Also curious if the battery pack size (e.g. additional weight) has an impact on road noise.
 

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All windshields are two ply with a clear (duh) membrane sandwiched between the two layers of glass. This is a safety feature that will reduce the size of the glass shards in case of breakage. Without the membrane holding the glass somewhat together, this would be a real mess in an accident. The sound deadening that is touted by some manufacturers comes from making this clear membrane thicker. Not the glass itself, but the membrane.
When I rolled my '65 Ford Ranchero in high school, the front windshield broke in half and came out in two solid pieces. I saw it on the ground and was grateful that neither of those pieces had come inside the cabin and rolled around with me in there.
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