What is the Trick? To leaving the Pro Power ON?

[ryun]

Forgot to mention but for anybody looking into just leaving the truck on you've got to turn off the auto shut off timer as well. Otherwise you'll lose PPO after 30 mins.

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[Firn]

If we're talking about the load on the PPOB at such a low load that tricks are required to keep it running, cooling it is NOT going to be much of an issue!

I can tell you that a half hour or so ago I left my truck off with PPOB on with about a 150 watt load. It was almost 90 outside and the heat pump was NOT running.

Nobody said AC compressor, but if its liquid cooled the coolant pump still needs to run.

The figure quoted here is 300w if the truck is "running", again, turn the truck "off" with ppob on and there is likely still 300w of overhead between the dc-dc, coolant loop, and the modules we know must be on.

 

[RLXXI]

Someone with the "Pro Power on while truck off" option should do a test. Charge to 90% before each case. Test for at least 24h to get enough significant figures on the battery discharge. Ideally test for long enough to get 10% HVB discharge. Keep vehicle in garage. Turn HVAC off, headlights off, put screen on calm (push dial in and turn). The heater on timer method seems to be 1s on, 300s off to defeat the 6 min timeout.

Case 1) Truck ON, Power Power OFF
This is the baseline power draw of the truck's systems
Case 2) Truck ON, Pro Power ON - either no load or the heater on a timer
2-1 is the power of keeping the inverter's active
Case 3) Truck OFF, Pro power ON with "Keep pro power on while truck off" with the heater on a timer

3-2 is the power saving benefit of this feature​

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I don't have this "keep pro power on while truck off" feature on my '23.

I do this on a daily basis as I use PPOB to power my dash cams while I'm working as a sort of sentry feature. After 8 hours of only powering twin dash cams, Front/rear with built in DVR, to include using the timer/heater keeping PPOB alive, the most I've seen is ~3% of HVB usage.

 

[Jamchampnate]

Forgot to mention but for anybody looking into just leaving the truck on you've got to turn off the auto shut off timer as well. Otherwise you'll lose PPO after 30 mins.

Have a 23. I camp all the time. It’s pretty easy to remember.

Leave truck on. Turn auto shutoff timer off. Turn off HVAC. Switch lights to off. Done.

Works great and never shuts off unless I hit my PPO limit that I set to make sure we have range to get back home after camping.

Really not a big deal.

 

[jobofly79]

Someone with the "Pro Power on while truck off" option should do a test. Charge to 90% before each case. Test for at least 24h to get enough significant figures on the battery discharge. Ideally test for long enough to get 10% HVB discharge. Keep vehicle in garage. Turn HVAC off, headlights off, put screen on calm (push dial in and turn). The heater on timer method seems to be 1s on, 300s off to defeat the 6 min timeout.

Case 1) Truck ON, Power Power OFF
This is the baseline power draw of the truck's systems
Case 2) Truck ON, Pro Power ON - either no load or the heater on a timer
2-1 is the power of keeping the inverter's active
Case 3) Truck OFF, Pro power ON with "Keep pro power on while truck off" with the heater on a timer

3-2 is the power saving benefit of this feature​

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I don't have this "keep pro power on while truck off" feature on my '23.

I just did this over the weekend 3 days, 2 nights. I was camping and using pro power on board. I used the PPO to run my heated blanket in my roof top tent each night. I also used it to power my electric kettle, electric cooler and nespresso machine. I arrived at camp with 65% SOC and left this morning at 56% SOC. It got down in to the mid 30’s. I did get in my truck Saturday morning and out the heat on to get warmed up. Overall I was happy with the amount of power I used. However, constantly worrying about the PPO going out overnight sucks. Ford really needs to fix the minimum draw issue.

 

[bc1]

I do this on a daily basis as I use PPOB to power my dash cams while I'm working as a sort of sentry feature. After 8 hours of only powering twin dash cams, Front/rear with built in DVR, to include using the timer/heater keeping PPOB alive, the most I've seen is ~3% of HVB usage.
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Do we have an Amazon source for the timers being used? Also is there some other electronic device on the market that would pull 100-300 watts that would be safer than a heater or light bulb?

I like the idea of powering the dash cams for theft purposes such as with ppob but I wouldn't want to leave the truck on all night at a motel with a lit dash and calm screen even if I covered them. Best choice is just to take the chances of not running down the 12v battery even though it doesn't pull that much power. I'm still looking for a 360 degree dashcam system that isn't that expensive. Adding a recorder to the trucks cameras would be nice if they could be used.

 

[RLXXI]

Do we have an Amazon source for the timers being used? Also is there some other electronic device on the market that would pull 100-300 watts that would be safer than a heater or light bulb?

I like the idea of powering the dash cams for theft purposes such as with ppob but I wouldn't want to leave the truck on all night at a motel with a lit dash and calm screen even if I covered them. Best choice is just to take the chances of not running down the 12v battery even though it doesn't pull that much power. I'm still looking for a 360 degree dashcam system that isn't that expensive. Adding a recorder to the trucks cameras would be nice if they could be used.

This is the timer I use the heater is perfectly safe as it doesn't stay on long enough to get hot.

 

[bc1]

This is the timer I use the heater is perfectly safe as it doesn't stay on long enough to get hot.

Thanks. Problem is my wife won't think a heater is safe. I see it retains it memory without power. Don't know how long though if I use one intermittently just for travel.

 

[RLXXI]

Thanks. Problem is my wife won't think a heater is safe. I see it retains it memory without power. Don't know how long though if I use one intermittently just for travel.

Can't help you with a wife problem lol. Explain it to her.

 

[Jamchampnate]

I do this on a daily basis as I use PPOB to power my dash cams while I'm working as a sort of sentry feature. After 8 hours of only powering twin dash cams, Front/rear with built in DVR, to include using the timer/heater keeping PPOB alive, the most I've seen is ~3% of HVB usage.

Do we have an Amazon source for the timers being used? Also is there some other electronic device on the market that would pull 100-300 watts that would be safer than a heater or light bulb?

I like the idea of powering the dash cams for theft purposes such as with ppob but I wouldn't want to leave the truck on all night at a motel with a lit dash and calm screen even if I covered them. Best choice is just to take the chances of not running down the 12v battery even though it doesn't pull that much power. I'm still looking for a 360 degree dashcam system that isn't that expensive. Adding a recorder to the trucks cameras would be nice if they could be used.
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What’s the concern with the car being left on if it’s locked and no key or phone inside? If someone tries to break in and tried to drive off, it ain’t going anywhere without a key. It’ll shutoff.

 

[bc1]

Do we have an Amazon source for the timers being used? Also is there some other electronic device on the market that would pull 100-300 watts that would be safer than a heater or light bulb?

I like the idea of powering the dash cams for theft purposes such as with ppob but I wouldn't want to leave the truck on all night at a motel with a lit dash and calm screen even if I covered them. Best choice is just to take the chances of not running down the 12v battery even though it doesn't pull that much power. I'm still looking for a 360 degree dashcam system that isn't that expensive. Adding a recorder to the trucks cameras would be nice if they could be used.

What’s the concern with the car being left on if it’s locked and no key or phone inside? If someone tries to break in and tried to drive off, it ain’t going anywhere without a key. It’ll shutoff.
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Never tried it with the truck, but with the prius, once running, I can drive it anywhere without a key until I shut it off and then it won't start again. I'd be worried about one of those key cloning theft rings may be operating in the area.

Got a trip planned to Denver next month and I sure wouldn't want to have to make a police report for auto theft saying I left it running outside the motel all night!!! Plan to stop and eat at Casa Bonita there in a now not so nice area of town. I don't even know if Denver has any safe areas of town anymore. Not to worried about Vail though.

 

[Jamchampnate]

What’s the concern with the car being left on if it’s locked and no key or phone inside? If someone tries to break in and tried to drive off, it ain’t going anywhere without a key. It’ll shutoff.

Never tried it with the truck, but with the prius, once running, I can drive it anywhere without a key until I shut it off and then it won't start again. I'd be worried about one of those key cloning theft rings may be operating in the area.

Got a trip planned to Denver next month and I sure wouldn't want to have to make a police report for auto theft saying I left it running outside the motel all night!!! Plan to stop and eat at Casa Bonita there in a now not so nice area of town. I don't even know if Denver has any safe areas of town anymore. Not to worried about Vail though.
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I totally get that but whenever you lock the car and leave the car with no key in it when you return to the car if you try and shift or press the power button nor do anything if there’s no key, the car turns off

 

[Nikos]

Thank You! Well that blows... Can Ford fix it if I take it in? IE: It's broken?

Or can Forscan fix it?

How are people using this feature, leaving their truck's ON?

I have a set up similar when I travel to remote sites. My cooler/fridge pulls 150+ watts while is the bed of the truck.
At the remote sites, I set up the rooftop tent and an extension cord to power up my electronics, CPAP machine and the cooling fans. I have to have the truck on but I set up my screens into calm/dark mode. The kw consumption is reduced but the inverter has to stay on. I power the fridge with A/C.
A three nights, two full days at a remote sites usually consumes 35kw of battery. Lower the minimum your battery could be drained, usually at 50 miles range, and the truck will power your campsite with everything you need.
I have a 2022 Lariat and has worked great with my primitive camping trips.
Yes, the truck consumes less while is on to power up your appliances but if you’re careful with the consumption and the distance from home or the nearest charging stations, you can make it a stress free and comfortable experience.
Now my setup has evolved. I do carry an Anker Solix 3000 with the portable 400w solar panel which is practically enough to camp and just turn the truck off. You don’t have to do what I have done with the portable storage battery but it is another option if you drive yourself to really remote locations and need 100 miles to get out them sites and back where you can charge the truck.
Most of us have asked Ford why is this like this and can we change it.
Most of us got the same answer from Ford of how to set up the truck for continuous power to the outlets.
Also most of us asked Ford for a pet mode setup or OTA update for pet mode. Still waiting for that one, but there is a way around all that also.
Whatever makes you comfortable and the advice you’re getting from this forum, you will decide what plan you’re willing to follow.
Good luck.

 

[jobofly79]

I have a set up similar when I travel to remote sites. My cooler/fridge pulls 150+ watts while is the bed of the truck.
At the remote sites, I set up the rooftop tent and an extension cord to power up my electronics, CPAP machine and the cooling fans. I have to have the truck on but I set up my screens into calm/dark mode. The kw consumption is reduced but the inverter has to stay on. I power the fridge with A/C.
A three nights, two full days at a remote sites usually consumes 35kw of battery. Lower the minimum your battery could be drained, usually at 50 miles range, and the truck will power your campsite with everything you need.
I have a 2022 Lariat and has worked great with my primitive camping trips.
Yes, the truck consumes less while is on to power up your appliances but if you’re careful with the consumption and the distance from home or the nearest charging stations, you can make it a stress free and comfortable experience.
Now my setup has evolved. I do carry an Anker Solix 3000 with the portable 400w solar panel which is practically enough to camp and just turn the truck off. You don’t have to do what I have done with the portable storage battery but it is another option if you drive yourself to really remote locations and need 100 miles to get out them sites and back where you can charge the truck.
Most of us have asked Ford why is this like this and can we change it.
Most of us got the same answer from Ford of how to set up the truck for continuous power to the outlets.
Also most of us asked Ford for a pet mode setup or OTA update for pet mode. Still waiting for that one, but there is a way around all that also.
Whatever makes you comfortable and the advice you’re getting from this forum, you will decide what plan you’re willing to follow.
Good luck.

You shouldn't have to carry a Anker Solix 3000. Our truck is the biggest portable battery on the market lol. Ford really needs to get this addressed with a camp mode and pet mode.

Come on @Ford Motor Company

 

[K6CCC]

Don't know how long though if I use one intermittently just for travel.

At least a couple months.

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