White House releases plan to build nationwide network of 500,000 EV chargers

[EaglesPDX]

Not a real thing in the real world.

Well looks real to Pepsi, Ryder, Amazon, Mercedes, Ford et al.

The economics of the EV semis is solid. The charging logistics as easy as EV cars.

First semis rolling out the same time as the main batch of F150's and people said the same about an EV pickup as they do about EV semis but the reality caught up with them faster than expected.

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[EaglesPDX]

It’s burning capital, but in a smart way.

Ah...well 'burning capital' sounds a bit whimsical when it was anything but.

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

 

[Sklith]

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

I'm not certain where you're getting this information. Tesla delivered their first cars far earlier than the Superchargers came out. The Roadster doesn't even have the same connector!

 

[Mr. Flibble]

Ah...well 'burning capital' sounds a bit whimsical when it was anything but.

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

Ah...well 'burning capital' sounds a bit whimsical when it was anything but.

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

They started building the fast charging network after building the cars. But the government is doing it because they want to encourage adoption of EVs because of the perceived need for DCFC, which, as we have established with an average of 29.5 miles of driving per day, isn’t a requirement.

To be sure, this is a good thing for EV owners, and I encourage it, especially in areas like the Dakota’s where EV adoption is low, and chargers are near non-existent.

So is it a good thing? Yes. Is it truly a requirement? No. Though I think it will speed EV adoption which currently is quite low, but I expect major traction when we hit around 10% EV ownership in the population.

 

[EaglesPDX]

But the government is doing it because they want to encourage adoption of EVs because of the perceived need for DCFC

I don't think the bill specified DC vs. AC (L2) which was a point of discussion earlier.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Is it truly a requirement? No.

Ability to fast charge out side the home? Tesla says and pretty much proved it was a necessity. Every survey list range anxiety (the lack of fast chargers) as the No. 1 reason for not getting an EV.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Most people wouldn't switch to an EV if it means they have to wait longer to charge their car on average than it is to refuel their ICE vehicles

Well that's true of every EV vs. ICE, home charging or public charging, it will take longer than filling up with gas.

As someone who has done just public charging while driving twice national average in miles and has done home charging also, the public charging of 30 minutes every 1-3 days just isn't the issue those who haven't done it imagine it to be.

Only issue is availability and Tesla's 100:1 driver/charger ratio works well even with occasionally waits at busy times.

 

[Mr. Flibble]

Ability to fast charge out side the home? Tesla says and pretty much proved it was a necessity. Every survey list range anxiety (the lack of fast chargers) as the No. 1 reason for not getting an EV.

Given that most people drive less than 30 miles a day, it clearly is not needed. It is a nice to have. It fills in a need of the perception that people drive further than they actually do.

 

[Sklith]

Fast charging is needed for sure but the frequency most folks do it is pretty small. I’d have to drive my Tesla over 150 miles in a day to justify doing it, otherwise I’ll plug in at home at the end of the day and wake up to a charged car in the morning. Easy peezy.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Given that most people drive less than 30 miles a day, it clearly is not needed.

1,000,000 Teslas prove that to be wrong. They need and use the chargers.

 

[HSV_MIkeJ]

Musk has said a lot of things...

https://www.elonmusk.today/

So does Biden

 

[techguydave]

So does Biden

I don't disagree with you there.

 

[shutterbug]

1,000,000 Teslas prove that to be wrong. They need and use the chargers.

No! They prove no such thing. Just because you chose to get an EV without planning, does not mean that everyone should. DCFC is expensive to deploy and maintain and does the battery no good during repeated daily use. They are great when used for long trips (particularly since there are no alternatives), but not for normal daily use.

 

[EaglesPDX]

DCFC is expensive to deploy and maintain and does the battery no good during repeated daily use.

And completely necessary for EV's. Everyone from Musk to GM to Ford to EU to China has come to same conclusion on deployment of fast DC charging system, it's essential and has to lead EV deployment. Discussions here with people considering an EV for the first time also confirm, it's all about range issues and finding charging.

As for expensive to deploy, a four pump gas station costs about $500k, a ten stall charging station about $250k. Insurance and operating costs are much less, no buried gas tanks, no attendants.

Many of the gas stations will morph into charging stations since they are already located where traffic requires them, provide bathrooms and food, are located near other food and service shops.

We'll have a hybrid gas/electric market for a decades, gas and charging stations.

 

[Sklith]

Many of the gas stations will morph into charging stations since they are already located where traffic requires them, provide bathrooms and food, are located near other food and service shops.

In America it's already slowly happening. Wawa reached 50 locations with Tesla Superchargers a couple months ago. In Europe and China, it's already happened.

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