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No system is perfect.... but I'd like to put myself in your shoes for a moment... assuming you've bought all 10 (or most) from the same dealership, and didn't give them a complete price beat-down on every one. Let's say you reserved a lightning a week or two after the reveal... would you be...

If you want to improve your chances, buy in a ZEV state forsure. I suspect Ford will be disproportionately allocating to these states for the foreseeable future. That being said, your goals are somewhat contradictory -- wanting the truck fast(er) than you're likely to be allocated, but don't...

For some people who made reservations, they will see them this summer. With 200,000 reservations, I don't think anyone is foolish enough to believe that they're gonna get 200,000 of these trucks out in the first year. You reserved yours and will be amongst the 1st 200,000 to get to order a...

With respect to enthusiast forum members -- I actually completely agree -- they / we should be prioritized alongside loyal customers -- we're the ones who are going to "get" the nuances of switching to an EV, and also have potential to be great advocates for the brand. We are going to be the...

Ford is absolutely honouring it's reservations -- just not in the manner you like. Would you prefer a Bronco apporach where they say, 50% of orders for dealers, 50% for the reservation list?

Ford has been nothing but honest with respect to delivery. Delivery is scheduled to start this summer.

Again, please, answer my question... what pressure? As for being PO'ed -- when you develop a positive relationship with a business, and that entity shows you absolutely no loyalty, or preferential treatment when you'd like something return -- people get pissed. There's a reason Ford sells...

You never answered my question "what dealer pressure"? Coming up with a final methodology for how you're going to allocate reservations, when you have no real idea or quantum of what the demand is going to be for the truck, and perhaps not even a solid grasp on what the first year production...

Very good point. We know Ford's methodology, because by the very nature of their business (~3000 independent businesses reselling their vehicles), somebody is going to let it slip / leak out. At Tesla, you've probably got a handful of employees making the decision... and those employees don't...

And therein lies the problem... we as consumers want dealers to compete against each other so as to lower price... but when things turn the other way and supply is scarce so dealers start to ADM/gouge... everyone cries foul. Perhaps the end solution lies somewhere with the likes of MAP...

If I understand correctly... the ZEV targets are measured by the local state DMVs at time of initial registration. There are 2 potential opportunities where customer behaviour can upset this target. Opportunity 1 -- Customer gets invite from ZEV dealer, transfers to a non-ZEV dealer to place...

Personally; I think we will see a hybrid model. The sheer quantity of legal battles required (as it is a state-by-state issue) would be MASSIVE. Ford would spend years in long, drawn out, legal battles with their partners. Unlike Tesla, they don't have the luxury of saying to that state "no...

Again, do you have anything from anywhere showing that a dealer had no ability to help a customer get one? With respect to demand / production, you said it yourself.... Ford built a lot more Mach E's quickly than they did/are planning to do Lightnings and a lot less hype. Maybe there was just...

A forum post from a dealer saying a year or so ago "this is how it's gonna work"? Maybe a youtube video like Granger does? I've seen the posts from people who observed their cars coming in roughly in the order that they believe they were placed; but that's not really confirming that dealers had...

Any documentation on that?

Again with the "dealer pressure"... what pressure? It's Ford in control here. They're the ones who make the rules. You keep alluding to this pressure like Ford "begrudgingly gave in"... why? Do you not understand that Ford & Dealers are on the same team? That giving dealers the power to get...

Not when those longstanding customers call up their salesguy to make sure they can get one of their first ones, and the salesguy has to tell them "sorry -- we / ford don't really care about your purchase history or loyalty -- guys with the fast fingers on the computers get the trucks". The...

As was covered earlier in the thread, they're going to get those newer, younger customers anyways by simply being first to the mass market. Sure, they might marginally offend a few people on forums who are REALLY into it and don't figure out how to make it work for themselves... but the reality...

Seems like a very fair and reasonable approach taken by the dealership. They should have told you that's what they're doing, but to take "personal relationship out" and make it about simply rewarding the people who help drive their business is a more than reasonable thing to do. Those aren't...

I'm just trying to put myself in Ford's shoes. They sell millions of vehicles through the dealer network, to individual customers. They have thousands of customers that are extremely loyal, and who are very important to them, who's relationships are managed by the dealers. You're way better off...