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  1. DFW Lightning owners

    Is anyone interested in a F150 Lightning Club? I have entered my EVs in a bunch of auto shows. Usually the Tesla crowd is well represented at the auto shows and a lot of the auto shows give awards for the best auto club turn out. I think being in a F150 Lightning auto that exhibits in local...
  2. Poll: 2023 Lightning - Still Ordering?

    You can’t. There are so many reservations all the 2023s are already sold. You might be able to order a 2024 but don’t count on it.
  3. Poll: 2023 Lightning - Still Ordering?

    Because of my reservation date, I wasn’t expecting delivery until 2024 anyway. If I get asked to order I will try to defer so I can see how the market shakes out in 2023. Ford was on the verge of losing the tax credit anyway so I don’t see any point in crying about the tax credit on higher trim...
  4. Is 320 miles on ER possible? Not seeing it in the math...

    The rated range of the SR F150L and the 62 kWh Leaf are so close that I would recommend reading the range compared to speed directly off of the 62 kWh Leaf range chart. For example, a SR F150L traveling at 75 mph would have a usable range of 185 miles.
  5. Ep 1: TFL Northern Lightning Trip From Sacramento, CA to Deadhorse, AK

    I have been watching EV charger progress along the Alaska Highway through Canada and up Dalton Highway to the Arctic Ocean for several years now. It has always been possible to travel from the lower 48 to the Arctic Ocean by EV, which was proven by several Tesla owners, but progress has really...
  6. Is 320 miles on ER possible? Not seeing it in the math...

    The Fast Lane Truck just drove a F150L from Michigan to the Arctic Ocean in northern Alaska., . I find long distance by EV rewarding and a real adventure. It sounds like your dealer has a real bias against EVs and is trying to talk you into an ICE he has sitting on the lot. BTW if you...
  7. Is 320 miles on ER possible? Not seeing it in the math...

    Tony Williams generated the range chart for the 60kWh Nissan Leaf below; This chart has some excellent information on it for predicting EV range. Even though I have never owned a 60kWh Nissan Leaf, I have used this chart many, many times for predicting my EV range on long trips. There are...
  8. What is the current weekly F150L production rate?

    An article on Insideevs.com, US: Ford BEV Sales Reached A New Record In July 2022 indicates that Ford sold 2,173 F150Ls, so we are hardly over 500 units a week so far. To get to 150,000 units a year Ford is going to have to produce 3,000 F150Ls per week. There are only 21 weeks left in 2022 so...
  9. Ford Options - Current Financing Interest Rate & Residuals on 2022 F-150 Lightning

    I think you are very wrong on this. The residual percentages compared to MSRP on EVs are typically much lower than on ICE vehicles. For example, an ICE vehicle may have a residual of 65% of MSRP after 2 years where an EV with the same MSRP may have a residual of 55% of MSRP after 2 years. I...
  10. 2023 F150 Lightning not on dealer ordering webpage

    I just received a link from my Ford dealer, https://www.5starford.com/custom-order-request/ford/ that lists the ordering availability for Ford Vehicles but the F150L is not on the list. The web page lists which vehicles can be ordered now and which can be order can be ordered in August...
  11. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    We have seen if for years; EVs getting vandalized, ICEs intentionally blocking EV chargers, fights at EV charging stations, etc. As EVs become more prevalent acts against EVs are only going to get worse. When the governments start requiring over 50% of all new vehicles to be EVs or ZEVs I...
  12. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    It's about loss of control. When people feel like they are losing control they get violent.
  13. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    Of course, people see things differently, but I could project that the violence of 6-JAN-2021 was a result of how some people perceived the new administrations planned climate change policies. The CAFE standards keep getting stricter every year and CARB states are setting ZEV dates. Some...
  14. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    I'm a strong proponent of renewables and I wish I could say I agree with you but, unfortunately, the new bill links development of renewables with the development of fossil fuels. I have been fighting for a sustainable future for decades. I have grown pretty dispassionate about sustainability...
  15. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    The tax credit and the F150L by their very nature are political and to say that this forum is not political is naive. F150 lightning owners have the right to be aware of what the true price of ownership is.
  16. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the new climate and energy bill is not as environmentally friendly as we in the EV community would hope for in a bill that promotes electric vehicles. Congress had to make huge concessions to Joe Manchin for fossil fuel expansion to get him to sign off on...
  17. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    Good question. The summary above says that the new credit rules apply to all EV sales starting 1-JAN-23. There are some auto manufacturers overseas that have been very important to EV development in North America that will now be locked out of the tax credit unless they start manufacturing in...
  18. EV Tax Credit Expansion Deal Reached by Senate

    I think you guys are worried about nothing. The tax credit allows the auto manufacturers to raise prices and increase profits. Just because there is a tax credit does not mean YOU will pay any less. We know that people buying low cost trim levels will think they are getting a deal because they...
  19. Ford Unveils 2023 F-150 Lightning PRO SSV Electric Police Truck

    I’m curious about comment that range ratings will be coming later this summer. Does that mean the F150L will be getting a range update for 2023? I think Ford is going to have to increase range and charging speed to compete with the Silverado EV next year.
  20. Ford Unveils 2023 F-150 Lightning PRO SSV Electric Police Truck

    What are you talking about? The F150L will be one of the most powerful vehicles in a police fleet and will definitely be the fastest full size pickup in the fleet. An ICE may be able to travel a little farther at top speed but a F150L could still travel a couple of hundred miles at top speed and...




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