White House releases plan to build nationwide network of 500,000 EV chargers

[MickeyAO]

How soon we forget about the long lines at the gas pumps during fuel shortages. Imagine the mess some will have when the power goes out, random blackouts/brown outs. Charging EV’s is going to be much much worse than people think. I don’t care how many charging stations they build. You go to bed at night expecting your EV to be charged up only to find out the power was off and you got no way to work. We have got a long way to go before we figure this out. I bet there will be many EVs traded in for ICE vehicles in the next 10 years. I’m still hoping for a Lightning Pro but I won’t part with my ICE F150 Power Boost Hybrid.

Why are you here? Just to spread FUD? I remember when the rumor that a hurricane watered down the gas on the Gulf Coast in Texas and everyone made a run for gas. There were lines around every gas station for up to a mile, based on a rumor! Every station in San Antonio ran out of gas for well over a week. I've been through way more long lines for gas in my lifetime (I'm an old fart that remembers the OPEC embargos) than I have been waiting for the power to come on...that's saying something with the power outages we had in Texas last year!

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[BennyTheBeaver]

I, personally, don't want my EV to be 100% like an ICE. How stupid would that be? Zero innovation, zero advancement...

I'll take the "90% there" and enjoy all the awesomeness that EV brings us over an engine type that has had small bits of advancement over the past 100 years.

Everyone is talking about fear of range and not being able to stop at a gas station. I am looking forward to rarely having to stop at a dingy gas station again (unless I need a snack). I travel 60 miles RT a day, will plug in at my house every night.

All the normal trips I make with my family in a year I go less than 200 miles RT (Beach, camping, skiing, big city, airport). If I really really need to charge I'll stop at a Charging station once or twice a year, the time that I spend at a charging station will be SIGNIFICANTLY less than my wasted time annually at fossil fuel stations.

Yeah, you may need to wait for 45 minutes to charge at an EV station, but when your normal, everyday fuel source is at your house (at cheaper rates than those dingy fossil fuel stations) its still equates to less time wasted waiting for fill ups than an ICE.

I guess some people will miss the smell of gas fumes and inhaling carbon monoxide...not me.

I'm lucky, I'm #10 on the priority list at a large dealer in a ZEV state so I should get a '22.

 

[BennyTheBeaver]

Even the worst in the US, the TX grid which has no backup for natural gas power plants, makes EV's viable for 90% of light pickup and autos. US grid overall is 99.995%.

Texas grid is the biggest joke and a real embarrassment. Though, it's a great example to all those that hate government involvement and regulation, of the consequences.

 

[Sundancer330]

Thank you for your FUD. The vast majority of EVs are charged during low-demand hours once or twice a week. We'll be ok, even without the grid balancing and demand management that V2G and smart EVSEs allow.

What happens when when the grid is down for 17 days like Texas last winter. Guess no driving, I am in no hurry to jump on the band wagon, ICE for me for many years to come

 

[Sundancer330]

I, personally, don't want my EV to be 100% like an ICE. How stupid would that be? Zero innovation, zero advancement...

I'll take the "90% there" and enjoy all the awesomeness that EV brings us over an engine type that has had small bits of advancement over the past 100 years.

Everyone is talking about fear of range and not being able to stop at a gas station. I am looking forward to rarely having to stop at a dingy gas station again (unless I need a snack). I travel 60 miles RT a day, will plug in at my house every night.

All the normal trips I make with my family in a year I go less than 200 miles RT (Beach, camping, skiing, big city, airport). If I really really need to charge I'll stop at a Charging station once or twice a year, the time that I spend at a charging station will be SIGNIFICANTLY less than my wasted time annually at fossil fuel stations.

Yeah, you may need to wait for 45 minutes to charge at an EV station, but when your normal, everyday fuel source is at your house (at cheaper rates than those dingy fossil fuel stations) its still equates to less time wasted waiting for fill ups than an ICE.

I guess some people will miss the smell of gas fumes and inhaling carbon monoxide...not me.

I'm lucky, I'm #10 on the priority list at a large dealer in a ZEV state so I should get a '22.

Wow good for you. You dont like dingy gas stations but stop for a gourmet lunch, LMFAO. Good luck.

 

[jefro]

I think the only problem with the Texas electric grid is that they shut down too many coal plants too soon.
The second problem is similar to what California has where they have to shut down power in case of fire simply because too many people sued. Who'd have thought anybody in California would have sued?
Currently Texas is leading the way on 0 emission green energy windmills, PV's.
There's enough wind energy in Texas and thermal energy to power the entire United States.
If one looks at the amount of energy used based on per capita in Texas the amount has remained relatively stable over the past 20 years due to more efficient lighting and energy efficient appliances.
I've been charging my electric vehicles for the past 4 years and noticed no change in my monthly bill.

 

[vandy1981]

Currently Texas is leading the way on 0 emission green energy windmills, PV's.
There's enough wind energy in Texas and thermal energy to power the entire United States.

Too bad the TX interconnection doesn't share that energy with the Eastern or Western Interconnections.

 

[vandy1981]

How soon we forget about the long lines at the gas pumps during fuel shortages.

Another advantage of EVs is that the price of electricity is stable from month to month (at least where I live) and not subject to change based on a politician's tweets or an OPEC meeting on the other side of the world.

Also, it's hard to pump gas when there's no electricity so the blackout/brownout FUD makes no sense.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Currently Texas is leading the way on 0 emission green energy windmills, PV's.

TX Green house gas emissions 2.7 million tons
CA Green house gas emissions 2.3 million tons

CA has 25% more people.
CA has 30% more GDP

TX does well due to the solar and wind power and also the switch to local natural gas. In regard to reliability, the lack or regs allowed them to build them with no thought for cold weather. Hopefully TX fixed that. But overall US grid reliability is 99.95% so the idea EV's are somehow hampered by an unreliable grid is not factual.

 

[uniblab]

TX does well due to the solar and wind power and also the switch to local natural gas. In regard to reliability, the lack or regs allowed them to build them with no thought for cold weather. Hopefully TX fixed that. But overall US grid reliability is 99.95% so the idea EV's are somehow hampered by an unreliable grid is not factual.

I don't think Texas built wind and solar with "no thought for cold weather". I think they did what everyone else does and planned for nearly-worst-case instead of absolute-worst-case. I don't blame them for that - if they had planned for the 100-year weather event we had last year, people would have been screaming about how much money was "wasted" preparing for an event that would probably never happen in their lifetime.

As for Texas vs. California, I am pretty happy with my 11-cents-per-KWh rate and net metering for on-site solar here in Texas.

 

[Whiskey]

Also, it's hard to pump gas when there's no electricity so the blackout/brownout FUD makes no sense.

You’re correct but when the power comes back on, ICE fuel up much faster, than EVs.

 

[vandy1981]

You’re correct but when the power comes back on, ICE fuel up much faster, than EVs.

I have never had to wait in line for a charger during 4,000+ miles of EV road trips.

Even if that does happen, I can handle the inconvenience of having to wait for a charger once or twice a year if it means that I don't have to fill up the Ram at Costco every 10 days.

And, under the brownout/blackout scenario, wouldn't people just plug in at home when the power comes back on?

 

[EaglesPDX]

I don't think Texas built wind and solar with "no thought for cold weather".

Wind turbines had no heaters so were not able to provide power. Same with the natural gas plants when valves and equipment froze and shut them down.

But to the point here, even the TX worst case scenario is infrequent so no issues with the grid being ready for EV's.

 

[EaglesPDX]

There is a misperception that we somehow need to replace gas stations with charging capacity.

We do pretty much as 40% of drivers will charge at public charging of some sort so cities will need high density public charging and everyone will need long range charging for travel. So maybe lose 50% of current gas stations and convert the rest to EV stations.

And for 100% EV conversion (2035 will be all EV sales) we do have to come up with 4,206,820,000,000 kWh of electricity capacity to replace the gasoline. Build out for that should be all roof top solar and battery backup as most cost effective and zero emissions.

 

[EaglesPDX]

I have never had to wait in line for a charger during 4,000+ miles of EV road trips.

Many do though.

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