White House releases plan to build nationwide network of 500,000 EV chargers

[EaglesPDX]

Serious question, how much time is lost waiting for EV's to charge in a year?

Zero. I catch up on work via the iPad while charging. No different than sitting in the office or sitting at home. Gas station time is a total loss though so EV's will improve everyone's efficiency.

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[vandy1981]

They may also be cheaper from a dollar standpoint, depending on how much you drive ect. Serious question, how much time is lost waiting for EV's to charge in a year?

Gas fill up: at least 15 minutes/week (or longer if the line at Costco is crazy)=13 hours/year
Oil change: At least 1 hour per year
Yearly time penalty for ICE truck: 14 hours

That would be the equivalent of around nineteen 45-minute charging sessions from 15% to 80%. I've needed to use public chargers 10 times in the last year with my current EV and most of those sessions were much shorter than 45 minutes.

I save time by owning an EV and I would bet that's the case for most people.

And no one is forcing anyone to buy an EV. That narrative is a great way to get anti-EV crowd riled up, though.

 

[EaglesPDX]

OMG!!! If you don't have access to L2 charging, figure this one issue first. Then buy a Tesla.

I bought the Tesla first and ran it just fine with public charging and my mileage is twice the national average at 25,000 a year. Worked fine with the 1:100 charger ratio Tesla has.

 

[TF1000]

I can always make more money; I can't however make more time.

Doesn't it usually take time to make money?

 

[EaglesPDX]

And no one is forcing anyone to buy an EV. That narrative is a great way to get anti-EV crowd riled up, though.

It is the fact though. By 2035 you are not allowed to buy an ICE, you will be "forced" to buy an EV.

 

[Nick Gerteis]

It is the fact though. By 2035 you are not allowed to buy an ICE, you will be "forced" to buy an EV.

Except that by 2035 nobody will want to buy a new ICEV. EVerybody will want to buy a new EV instead. You’re hardly “forcing “ people if their only option is what they would’ve wanted anyway. I would doubt manufacturers will even still sell gas cars here by 2030, let alone 2035. Good thing! Progress rocks.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Except that by 2035 nobody will want to buy a new ICEV.

I'm sure we're not that evolved and there will be some doomsday cult pushing for the right to drive their Bugatti Chiron Pur Sport's to Hell and back.

But we are "forcing" people to buy EV's just as we "force" people to buy seatbelts and airbags and not smoke indoors and other public health and safety measures.

The mfgs are making a business decision. If 30% of US market (3rd largest in world) and the two largest car markets (EU and China) are "forcing" all EV's b 2035, the mfgs have no choice.

 

[Sklith]

There's no way apartment dwellers and folks who park their cars on public streets should have to depend on DCFC stations, it's not practical at all. EVs need to be more convenient to use than ICE vehicles, and occasionally driving to a fast charger for up to an hour is not going to work. Electric companies will need to make an investment in infrastructure to all these new potential customers as they'll replace the oil companies of today.

 

[ZOSICK]

Zero. I catch up on work via the iPad while charging. No different than sitting in the office or sitting at home. Gas station time is a total loss though so EV's will improve everyone's efficiency.

You're probably a rare exception. Just like I don't waste anytime pumping gas because I clean my windows. I see people charging their EV's all the time while I'm getting gas. I usually see them sleeping or on their phones. I'm sure they are just they are just working too. If you're at home, I see your point. You waste zero time but I'm sure others do. The friends that I know with EV's complain about the time they sit waiting for a charge. Again, you waste zero time, but I know people who do. I don't know much about EV's I'm aware of the specifics i.e. on how long it takes to charge or how far you can go before a charge.

 

[ZOSICK]

Doesn't it usually take time to make money?

Yes, absolutely. It also takes time to eat, piss, and have sex. Your point? I work from home so in essence, I'm getting paid to eat, piss, and have sex.

 

[EaglesPDX]

You're probably a rare exception.

Doubtful. Most single drivers I see are on their computers. I have been known to take a power nap or two.

Families, the kids tend to go screaming toward whatever is open (Freds, Freds, Mall, Mall are the local choices). You're lucky you can herd them back to the car before it's done charging.

 

[EaglesPDX]

There's no way apartment dwellers and folks who park their cars on public streets should have to depend on DCFC stations, it's not practical at all.

I did it for two years. Worked fine. Key is lots of charging choices near work, home and shopping. It tend to shop Freds as they have Tesla and EA chargers. Car is done charging before I'm done shopping.

 

[TF1000]

Doubtful. Most single drivers I see are on their computers. I have been known to take a power nap or two.

Families, the kids tend to go screaming toward whatever is open (Freds, Freds, Mall, Mall are the local choices). You're lucky you can herd them back to the car before it's done charging.

Plus you can eat, piss, and have sex while you charge!

 

[Nick Gerteis]

Plus you can eat, piss, and have sex while you charge!

Though hopefully not all at the same time. Not that it’s any of my business!

 

[Mr. Flibble]

I did it for two years. Worked fine. Key is lots of charging choices near work, home and shopping. It tend to shop Freds as they have Tesla and EA chargers. Car is done charging before I'm done shopping.

You can do it, as you have noted, but most people wouldn’t. Everyone has different use cases.

In my case, I was charging for my first year of ownership with a standard 120v 15 Amp plug, and it worked great. My commute to work was about 3 miles one way. Then they put some free L2 chargers near my office, and for a long time, I played the game of seeing just how long I could go without charging at home at all - just while I was at the office. I managed a 3 month stretch at best.

I finally got a 25 Amp L2 charger installed once I got a new job with a longer commute, but that job (before the change to WFH) also had free L2 charging at the office.

I suspect most people will want L2 charging where they park, and as EV’s become more common, the market for that solution will present itself. After all, if you can make extra money where a parking space exists, I am sure people will.

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