Can In-Vehicle Safe by Console Vault be installed by customer or does it need dealer install ?

[metroshot]

Ordered the Lariat base SR Lightning and wanted to have the In-Vehicle Safe by Console Vault installed but I dare not upset the production / build cycle.

I know I can buy the part from Ford but can I install it myself or does it need a dealer to install for any coding or programming of the vault ?

Anyone have experience with this unit ?

Is it only a key operated lock or can it be opened from the infotainment or key fob ?

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[ExCivilian]

I don't have any experience with it other than to say all key operated locks are subject to seizure so if security from government is one feature you'd like to retain you'll need to find one that can only be opened via password.

To clarify: the locks themselves are not the issue; the information inside your head is protected in ways the possessions you have (eg, keys) are not.

 

[adoublee]

I don't have any experience with it other than to say all key operated locks are subject to seizure so if security from government is one feature you'd like to retain you'll need to find one that can only be opened via password.

To clarify: the locks themselves are not the issue; the information inside your head is protected in ways the possessions you have (eg, keys) are not.

Some material possessions the government themselves might require be behind a lock and key. I'm interested in this topic as well.

 

[Oneand0]

I’ve owned two console vaults so far. One for my 2013 Explorer and one for my current Bronco. I’m actually going to get one for my Lightning too. I’m guessing it’s going to be an easy install as my last two vaults. Super easy! Remember that any safe/vault in or out of your home can always be broken into by crooks or government. I’m a retired local officer and currently working for Federal agency, which means that I have to secure my gun before entering the federal office space I work in. The California law says that it must be in a locked container out of site if it’s stored in a vehicle. Personally you should try to keep your firearm on you, or put away in your home. Think of it as a temporary safe/vault for your valuables until you get home or can carry them on you.

 

[ExCivilian]

Some material possessions the government themselves might require be behind a lock and key.

Behind a lock, yes, but not behind a key.

When things, such as firearms, are required to be kept in a locked environment it's currently established law that government can demand someone relinquish the physical key to that lock. If the lock is secured via passphrase, however, government is restricted in what it can do/demand in regard to the information in one's head due to our current protections of privacy and against self-incrimination.

If you think of something like a phone the police can take one's phone and look through the information stored on that phone provided they have at least reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed by you. They cannot, however, force you to answer any questions about the content in that phone. Well...they can ask but you can decline. You cannot decline to produce a key on the grounds of self-incrimination even if there's a kilo of cocaine in your safe.

If you have the keys to your F150 they can legally demand that you release the keys to them so they can search the vehicle. If you don't have your keys, however, and only use the keypad to get into the vehicle they can not compel you to tell them the numbers. At that point, they can seize the entire vehicle, haul you before a judge who might make you sit in a cell until you answer the questions, or any other method to otherwise pry that info from your brain...so choose your battles.

Taking it outside the context of government officials, a common thief will be looking/demanding a key to a safe. They might pass over someone who doesn't know or is otherwise unable to open a pass-key locked safe. It's a lot easier to yell for someone to give you all their keys and wallets than it is to sit around holding someone at gunpoint while they try and remember how to open the safe. That said, a highly motived individual will do what they are set on doing regardless. I have at least one specific case in my memory banks, and it's in there because it was the precedent for the now common practice that fast-food joints have bullet proof windows, where a robber took a store manager and assistant manager to the safe but they weren't able to unlock it. At the time, the safe required two people and if one of them flubbed a number the safe would become unlock able for a period of time. Due to nerves, the assistant manager fat fingered one of the numbers and shut the safe down so the robber executed the manager. So again, if we're talking about simple possessions, please choose your battles wisely.

Sorry if this is somewhat derailing to the intention of the thread. It's just that when someone wants to put a safe in a vehicle I assume they want it as secure from *anyone* other than themselves as possible so I thought it important to discuss some of the laws and realities about that decision. While I no longer work in enforcement, I try to keep on top of these legal decisions because I'm a CJ professor.

 

[adoublee]

Behind a lock, yes, but not behind a key.

When things, such as firearms, are required to be kept in a locked environment it's currently established law that government can demand someone relinquish the physical key to that lock. If the lock is secured via passphrase, however, government is restricted in what it can do/demand in regard to the information in one's head due to our current protections of privacy and against self-incrimination.

If you think of something like a phone the police can take one's phone and look through the information stored on that phone provided they have at least reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed by you. They cannot, however, force you to answer any questions about the content in that phone. Well...they can ask but you can decline. You cannot decline to produce a key on the grounds of self-incrimination even if there's a kilo of cocaine in your safe.

If you have the keys to your F150 they can legally demand that you release the keys to them so they can search the vehicle. If you don't have your keys, however, and only use the keypad to get into the vehicle they can not compel you to tell them the numbers. At that point, they can seize the entire vehicle, haul you before a judge who might make you sit in a cell until you answer the questions, or any other method to otherwise pry that info from your brain...so choose your battles.

Taking it outside the context of government officials, a common thief will be looking/demanding a key to a safe. They might pass over someone who doesn't know or is otherwise unable to open a pass-key locked safe. It's a lot easier to yell for someone to give you all their keys and wallets than it is to sit around holding someone at gunpoint while they try and remember how to open the safe. That said, a highly motived individual will do what they are set on doing regardless. I have at least one specific case in my memory banks, and it's in there because it was the precedent for the now common practice that fast-food joints have bullet proof windows, where a robber took a store manager and assistant manager to the safe but they weren't able to unlock it. At the time, the safe required two people and if one of them flubbed a number the safe would become unlock able for a period of time. Due to nerves, the assistant manager fat fingered one of the numbers and shut the safe down so the robber executed the manager. So again, if we're talking about simple possessions, please choose your battles wisely.

Sorry if this is somewhat derailing to the intention of the thread. It's just that when someone wants to put a safe in a vehicle I assume they want it as secure from *anyone* other than themselves as possible so I thought it important to discuss some of the laws and realities about that decision. While I no longer work in enforcement, I try to keep on top of these legal decisions because I'm a CJ professor.

The question for me is regarding law that allows legal and otherwise legally carried firearms to be present on an otherwise restricted premise if it is contained and locked. I'm sure this is not consistent state to state. I agree that the mere presence of a heavy duty lock/safe may put vehicle owner at increased risk in the case of a robbery, which is somewhat a concern.

 

[ExCivilian]

I'm sure this is not consistent state to state.

It's not..and it's not even consistent county to county. In CA we have 58 counties...fun fun fun

 

[metroshot]

It's not..and it's not even consistent county to county. In CA we have 58 counties...fun fun fun

Yes, it's been very difficult with so many different county rules that a CCW is like a crapshoot.
LA County is the worst.

Luckily, I just moved into a different county that is CCW friendly - figured I would get the CCW since I retired from my FFL business that did allow me carry in the course of my business.

 

[metroshot]

I’ve owned two console vaults so far. One for my 2013 Explorer and one for my current Bronco. I’m actually going to get one for my Lightning too. I’m guessing it’s going to be an easy install as my last two vaults. Super easy! Remember that any safe/vault in or out of your home can always be broken into by crooks or government. I’m a retired local officer and currently working for Federal agency, which means that I have to secure my gun before entering the federal office space I work in. The California law says that it must be in a locked container out of site if it’s stored in a vehicle. Personally you should try to keep your firearm on you, or put away in your home. Think of it as a temporary safe/vault for your valuables until you get home or can carry them on you.

Thank you for letting me know I can do the install.

Now ordering the vault...

 

[GoGoGadgetTruck]

It's not..and it's not even consistent county to county. In CA we have 58 counties...fun fun fun

58? bah, that's nothing

- sent from Ohio, land of 88 counties

?

 

[ExCivilian]

88 counties! That is ridiculous. HAHAHAHA.

OK, so for the past ten years I've been telling students, "after AB109 passed, we now have 58 different ways of procedural justice in our state." Now, thanks to you, I will end that sentence with "...thankfully we're not in Ohio because they have 88!"

 

[MickeyAO]

58? bah, that's nothing

- sent from Ohio, land of 88 counties

?

Why so low on the county count? Texas is at 254

 

[GoGoGadgetTruck]

88 counties! That is ridiculous. HAHAHAHA.

OK, so for the past ten years I've been telling students, "after AB109 passed, we now have 58 different ways of procedural justice in our state." Now, thanks to you, I will end that sentence with "...thankfully we're not in Ohio because they have 88!"

Why so low on the county count? Texas is at 254

"... or in Texas, because they have 254!" [class gasps, some with weaker constitutions faint]

 

[Tyler Durden]

Where precisely in the cabin is this thing installed? Assume it's (roughly) identical to ICE F150. Thanks.

 

[metroshot]

Where precisely in the cabin is this thing installed? Assume it's (roughly) identical to ICE F150. Thanks.

From ICE F150 picture - company confirmed it will fit the Lightning.

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