EaglesPDX
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Hmm...none of the Ford or Chevy dealers show as having chargers for public. There are service chargers not fast DC chargers but these are not publicly available, perhaps that's what you saw.
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shutterbug
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Nope. The Ford chargers are physically out front. The service chargers are out back, by the service bays. I personally used chargers at two different BMW dealerships.
EaglesPDX
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Probably a couple of the EV centric dealers. Dealers with L2's are not going to a factor in towing as we'll need fast DC chargers.
In scouting my route to the coast, 100 mies of towing, I've got fast DC chargers at 30 miles so most I have to get is 70 miles out of 300 miles.
shutterbug
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Don't know what makes one EV centric, but here in Phoenix we have over a dozen Ford dealers and all are EV certified. With that kind of competition, dealers don't like leaving money on the table.
EaglesPDX
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Ford has "EV qualified" dealers. This started with MachE.
What chargers some dealers have is almost exclusively for service/sales and there's no way for the public to charge on them, no means of payment.
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shutterbug
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Also untrue. EV certified dealers (not EV qualified) have existed since 2011. That's when Ford Focus Electric appeared. 10 years ago.
No means of payment means they are free. The last time I was at Chapman (Scottsdale) Ford, there was a Nissan Leaf charging at one of the two publicly accessible chargers. I already said that I got to charge my plug-in C-Max at two different BMW dealers.
If you don't know something, there is no need to make it up. Just ask.
jefro
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One of the requirement for selling the plug in and BEV's are that they have chargers. So every dealer that is certified to sell will have chargers. Not necessarily free and not open beyond business hours and in many cases not to other makers cars.
While I applaud HD for their mostly free DC chargers there are many of them that are stinkers also. See the Corpus Christi HD DC rates.
I find PlugShare to be one of the best places to find most but not all chargers.
While I applaud HD for their mostly free DC chargers there are many of them that are stinkers also. See the Corpus Christi HD DC rates.
I find PlugShare to be one of the best places to find most but not all chargers.
EaglesPDX
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Nothing to do with the Focus but it was announced with the MachE.
"No means of payment means they are free."
Or not available for the public.
Again these are L2's not something people are going to want to charge at unless they are hanging out at the dealership for 8 hours.
Kev12345
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the inconvenience of charging stops on my twice a summer road trip does not outweigh paying a fortune for gasoline every week as my daily commuter. Ev truck makes so much sense 95% of the time.
shutterbug
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Again wrong. Ford added additional requirements for MME, but the program has been around for decade.
Part of EV certification is to have at least 2 chargers. 1 in the service area and one accessible to the public. Some dealers have more. The dealer I am using has 2 public chargers. One the old one made by Aerovironment and new Ford Connected charger. They are accessible when the dealership gates are open.
No, but if your battery is almost fully depleted and spending an hour or so gives you enough charge to get to the DC charger, they will help. That's what they are there for. Not to substitute for DCFC.
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jefro
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Tesla is opening some of their SuperChargers and Elon is reported have said all will be open. That would be a HUGE boon to EV drivers. I haven't looked at the current proposed laws to see if Tesla would get free Government money in the bill.
Looking at only charging at dealers is not really a great plan for travel. Currently dealers except some BMW dealers would be the very last choice I'd make.
Maybe the second best choice for DC is Electrify America. They are also in the hunt (sadly by diesel gate) for a lot of high speed chargers in travel paths.
Looking at only charging at dealers is not really a great plan for travel. Currently dealers except some BMW dealers would be the very last choice I'd make.
Maybe the second best choice for DC is Electrify America. They are also in the hunt (sadly by diesel gate) for a lot of high speed chargers in travel paths.
Easycamper
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Or, in my case, the inconvenience of visiting the gas station a couple dozen times per year at $150 a pop. (In Canada where gas is $1.40 per litre ~ $5/gallon)
EaglesPDX
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They really need more than that for service with MachE and F150EV though you can just plug them into a regular wall outlet so they don't discharge while being serviced. We don't expect the dealer to fill our gas tanks so charging cars brought in for service would be no different.
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I should hope that's two publicly-accessible chargers, and not just two total. They should probably have at least two for service alone.
EaglesPDX
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Dealers are only putting in L2's which is no good for travel charging. What would be smart would be Ford dealers putting in a bank of six fast DC chargers exclusively for Ford EV's. Local people with no home charging could pop over to their local dealer and charge up for a week's driving. Plus selling electricity with a 100% mark up is profitable.
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