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Jim Farley: F-150 Lightning Sold Out For 2-3 Years, Reservations Stopped at 200k

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Jim Farley said the F-150 Lightning is sold out for 2-3 years and Ford has stopped taking reservations at 200,000 units.

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Reading between the lines. Ford only anticipates building about 200,000 units of this generation Lightning. Or, if they only expect a 47% reservation to order conversion, 100,000 units.
 
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Well, I'm half way on the list. So I should get it... next year?
 
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I guess doubling and redoubling production capacity doesn't mean a whole lot if you start with such small numbers. If they only make 15k this year (7 months) and 25k next year (12 months) another redoubling will only get them to 50k the following year. That's 100k which is about on par with the 47% conversion rate. I'm guessing the rate will be even less. Some will wait another year, but I'm guessing a lot won't wait two.
 

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p52Ranch said:
Reading between the lines. Ford only anticipates building about 200,000 units of this generation Lightning. Or, if they only expect a 47% reservation to order conversion, 100,000 units.
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Or worse. The 47% is the actual. What if they only expected a 20% reservation to order conversion rate? That's 40,000 units.
 
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I’m happy to wait for the next generation of battery technology anyway.
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I am ok with the current generation of batteries.... Well... sort of. I will explain below. I expect the next gen to be iron based, which is cheaper, and lasts longer, but can't output as much power as fast.

The two things I would like to see changed in the Lightning (and hope they are for 2023?) is an 800v battery - this is really the same as the current 400v battery, just a different way of using the same underlying battery type.

This would allow for considerably faster charging at DCFC locations. Though, at the cost of additional heat, possibly battery degradation.

I would also like to see a heat pump like Tesla uses, not the method that the Mach-E uses, which has a heat pump for the battery and AC, but not for actual heating.*

I would like to see resistive heating be an additional option to the heat pump for cold climates. (The Tesla Heat Pumps can freeze up in cold climates).
 

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Mr. Flibble said:
I am ok with the current generation of batteries.... Well... sort of. I will explain below. I expect the next gen to be iron based, which is cheaper, and lasts longer, but can't output as much power as fast.

The two things I would like to see changed in the Lightning (and hope they are for 2023?) is an 800v battery - this is really the same as the current 400v battery, just a different way of using the same underlying battery type.

This would allow for considerably faster charging at DCFC locations. Though, at the cost of additional heat, possibly battery degradation.

I would also like to see a heat pump like Tesla uses, not the method that the Mach-E uses, which has a heat pump for the battery and AC, but not for actual heating.*

I would like to see resistive heating be an additional option to the heat pump for cold climates. (The Tesla Heat Pumps can freeze up in cold climates).
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Having owned a Tesla with and without a heat pump (as well as a house with) The heat pump is better for efficiency, but is only ideal for temperate climates. Not to mention significantly more problematic.

I can live with inefficiency as long as there are enough chargers available and/or capable of recharging at a high rate. .
 

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Mr. Flibble said:
I am ok with the current generation of batteries.... Well... sort of. I will explain below. I expect the next gen to be iron based, which is cheaper, and lasts longer, but can't output as much power as fast.

The two things I would like to see changed in the Lightning (and hope they are for 2023?) is an 800v battery - this is really the same as the current 400v battery, just a different way of using the same underlying battery type.

This would allow for considerably faster charging at DCFC locations. Though, at the cost of additional heat, possibly battery degradation.

I would also like to see a heat pump like Tesla uses, not the method that the Mach-E uses, which has a heat pump for the battery and AC, but not for actual heating.*

I would like to see resistive heating be an additional option to the heat pump for cold climates. (The Tesla Heat Pumps can freeze up in cold climates).
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Wait...you want LFP and 800 V? :ROFLMAO::rolleyes::oops::ROFLMAO:
I guess some will wait for Mr. Fusion before they switch over to EVs! ;)
 
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MickeyAO said:
Wait...you want LFP and 800 V? :ROFLMAO::rolleyes::oops::ROFLMAO:
I guess some will wait for Mr. Fusion before they switch over to EVs! ;)
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LOL. No.

I want the current batteries in 800v like the Ioniq 5 with 800v charging. Not 800v per battery!
 
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Having owned a Tesla with and without a heat pump (as well as a house with) The heat pump is better for efficiency, but is only ideal for temperate climates. Not to mention significantly more problematic.

I can live with inefficiency as long as there are enough chargers available and/or capable of recharging at a high rate. .
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Agreed, thats why I was thinking the heat pump plus resistive heating for cold climates.
 
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Mr. Flibble said:
LOL. No.

I want the current batteries in 800v like the Ioniq 5 with 800v charging. Not 800v per battery!
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You need an 800 V battery to have 800 V charging...charging is based on the voltage potential difference to force current into the battery.
 
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MickeyAO said:
You need an 800 V battery to have 800 V charging...charging is based on the voltage potential difference to force current into the battery.
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I mean, a battery like the Ioniq 5 more or less.
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