My 2022 F150 Lightning is now officially an EREV, thanks to EverDrive!

[oxnor]

very interested. going 70, feeding at 48amp, how much power can be delivered before the main battery gets to 10%? that should or can impact how much "storage" is needed for ideal sizing?

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[PJnc284]

very interested. going 70, feeding at 48amp, how much power can be delivered before the main battery gets to 10%? that should or can impact how much "storage" is needed for ideal sizing?

Probably need about 60kWh. Downside of that is that a 32kWh 48v battery pack is 600 lbs and you'd need two + inverters, wiring, etc so you'd be up against your payload numbers rather quickly without even accounting for any passengers or other equipment. Towing would be out the window unless you had everything on the trailer similar to how Martin ran the generator while towing but would take some planning to not overdo the tongue weight. An ideal extender would be like something James did with his trex camper wiring directly into the DC side but that wouldn't be a simple DIY project or cheap to do safely.

 

[22legit2quit]

It’s a solid alternative to have. The battery thing in my opinion is silly. Adding that much weight for not as much energy wouldn’t do it for me. I know there’s plenty of you that are like gas/diesel hard nos.

The simple math if you were adding 11kw or 22kw an hour with the added weight I’m sure you could get 2mi/kwh, what’s the generator and gas gonna weigh? Less than 500 for a smaller generator?

2mi/kWh (hwy speed of 65mph) - safe range of 260 miles total (4hrs)

At 11kwh you’d be able to get 44kwh giving you another 88 miles of range and you’d likely get close to double that so 176 miles? Just on the charge alone over the time and if you charged from the word go you could probably push another 22+ miles on the slower charging speed and potentially another 60-80 on the faster one? I’m sure there’s gonna be losses but if the generator was sized right it seems good to me.

I know my math sucks but having something you can move in and out as needed rather than a large battery out of a leaf seems like a decent trade. Gives some of the older trucks over 500 miles.

 

[PJnc284]

It’s a solid alternative to have. The battery thing in my opinion is silly. Adding that much weight for not as much energy wouldn’t do it for me. I know there’s plenty of you that are like gas/diesel hard nos.

The simple math if you were adding 11kw or 22kw an hour with the added weight I’m sure you could get 2mi/kwh, what’s the generator and gas gonna weigh? Less than 500 for a smaller generator?

2mi/kWh (hwy speed of 65mph) - safe range of 260 miles total (4hrs)

At 11kwh you’d be able to get 44kwh giving you another 88 miles of range and you’d likely get close to double that so 176 miles? Just on the charge alone over the time and if you charged from the word go you could probably push another 22+ miles on the slower charging speed and potentially another 60-80 on the faster one? I’m sure there’s gonna be losses but if the generator was sized right it seems good to me.

I know my math sucks but having something you can move in and out as needed rather than a large battery out of a leaf seems like a decent trade. Gives some of the older trucks over 500 miles.

yeah, from a pure energy potential to weight standpoint, the generator is the better option. Would probably need to be a newer generator if non-inverter to have a low enough thd though. The Ford 20kW generator Martin was using has a 17 gallon tank provides the equivalent of over 100kWh of energy running full tilt. Weight is 600lbs+gas/oil. Main downfall of the generator that Martin ran into was it flooding but I imagine that hitch mount he was using introduced quite a bit of vibration. The Duromax XP16000ih (inverter generator), Zach used was about 370lbs+gas/oil and about 75kWh of energy granted you'll run out of charge on the truck before all the gas is used at 48 amps. They released a 28000 (22000 running) inverter generator not long ago but the cost is eye watering at ~$8k.

 

[22legit2quit]

yeah, from a pure energy potential to weight standpoint, the generator is the better option. Would probably need to be a newer generator if non-inverter to have a low enough thd though. The Ford 20kW generator Martin was using has a 17 gallon tank provides the equivalent of over 100kWh of energy running full tilt. Weight is 600lbs+gas/oil. Main downfall of the generator that Martin ran into was it flooding but I imagine that hitch mount he was using introduced quite a bit of vibration. The Duromax XP16000ih (inverter generator), Zach used was about 370lbs+gas/oil and about 75kWh of energy granted you'll run out of charge on the truck before all the gas is used at 48 amps. They released a 28000 (22000 running) inverter generator not long ago but the cost is eye watering at ~$8k.

I’d probably find an efi one. I have a 24 flash so I’m limited there. I don’t see the need to try and add a larger onboard charger because mine is 11.5 I think. I guess unless that’s something someone has figured out? Being able to stretch a trip out when towing a trailer when you’re probably gonna be going slower anyway is the ticket for me. I don’t intend on getting a trailer to pull with batteries in it that just seems self defeating.

 

[Pioneer74]

Might as well just save the hassle and buy a Powerboost.

 

[EV Engineer]

Might as well just save the hassle and buy a Powerboost.

Precisely.

The 50 AMP input is great in that it can "take any energy source".

But the reality is if you're reaching for extra energy in this crazy way you should be choosing the most dense energy - fossil fuels.

Solar, Batteries, etc would just be funzies and impractical.


Again--if anyone is seriously doing this to maintain their daily driver -->should've bought a powerboost or GM Max battery.


Everything else just seems like playing around.

 

[jwrezz]

No matter what the source is, most of us will be limited to 40amp 240v. Not 48amps. a 14-50 outlet can only safely supply 40amps to the EVSE. That may equate to 8.6kwh/hour. My AI overview:

Al Overview
A 40-amp, 240-volt Level 2 EVSE delivers about 9.6 kW of power. This adds
approximately 0.16 kWh of energy per minute (or 9.6 kWh per hour) to your
vehicle.A Autel Energy +2
Using this charger while driving is functionally impossible because EVs cannot be
driven while plugged into an AC charging station. However, even if you could, the
energy added would not be enough to sustain highway driving.o
이
Energy Added per Minute: 0.16 kWh
Range Gained per Minute: At 2 miles/kWh, this recovers roughly 0.32 miles of
range per minute.
Why it wouldn't "help much": Highway driving typically requires about 25 to 35
kW of power to overcome wind resistance and weight. This means your 9.6 kW
charger would only supply about a third to a fourth of the energy required to drive
at highway speeds, rapidly draining the battery anyway.
If you are looking into how to efficiently charge your EV, I can help you:
.
Estimate your daily charging costs based on New Jersey utility rates.
Calculate charge times from 0% to 100% for your specific EV model.
Compare Level 2 charger installation options (such as hardwiring to 48-amps) using
the EnergySage Level 2 Guide.
Let me know what you'd like to explore next!

 

[tearitupsports]

What happens if you have a generator plugged into the bed charge port, and you also hook up something on the regular charge port (either AC or DC) at the same time?

 

[jwrezz]

What happens if you have a generator plugged into the bed charge port, and you also hook up something on the regular charge port (either AC or DC) at the same time?

There's only one AC/DC inverter charger built into the truck. It can only take in 48amps max at 240v.

 

[jwrezz]

Unless you have a 22 or 23 ER with the dual chargers

 

[PJnc284]

What happens if you have a generator plugged into the bed charge port, and you also hook up something on the regular charge port (either AC or DC) at the same time?

In the video, @ZSC100 discusses the safety mechanism that disables the bed port if the charge port door is open. Only one can be active at a time.

 

[oxnor]

what's a good generate for the 40amp limit then? do you need to get an inverter generator?

this combined with the diesel healer coolant modification seem like fun additions if you want to void warranties ! (which I'm all for... eventually!)

 

[Lohugo]

@ EverDrive
What about level 3 charging, why is it limited to level 2

 

[PJnc284]

@ EverDrive
What about level 3 charging, why is it limited to level 2

That would require $texas to do correctly and not be a simple diy job due to the high voltage. Not to mention it'd likely limit an already limited audience.

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