Range Without Payload?

[VTbuckeye]

Range anxiety is showing here with first time EV buyers....

For those that are sweating about range, try out a PHEV to sort of "step into EV"....

That's what I did - PHEV Honda and love it!

Now I am ready for full on EV since range anxiety is not an issue...

My phev usage gave me gas anxiety. What can I do to not have that loud vibrating that thing fire up. Driving, two miles from home, home in our Volt the winter with half a battery and the outside thermometer at 15 degrees (it turned on at 14 degrees whether there was battery power or not). It is even worse with our xc90t8. I can be a mile from work with 3/4 of the battery capacity and it will start if it is less than 50 degrees. You also need a light touch on the accelerator to keep it from starting. I only like the phev for long trips. It is so much better with a BEV (we have had two). I am looking forward to adding the lightning to our fleet and passing our Tacoma on to someone else who will appreciate it more.

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[sotek2345]

I thought I saw somewhere that somebody said the max tow has some sort of cooling feature which could boost mileage -- is there any truth to that? I'm still trying to get my head around regen braking and how to "maximize" the range.

The extra cooling wont to anything to increase range when new (may reduce it a very very small amount due to extra weight). If you are someone that drive's there vehicle very hard in very hot environments (Nothing but wide open throttle and heavy breaking in an Arizona Summer while towing uphill), it might help reduce battery degradation over time by keeping the temps a little lower. It is there to help keep the truck out of limp mode (done to protect the battery) when towing heavy things in very hot weather.

 

[RickLightning]

My phev usage gave me gas anxiety. What can I do to not have that loud vibrating that thing fire up. Driving, two miles from home, home in our Volt the winter with half a battery and the outside thermometer at 15 degrees (it turned on at 14 degrees whether there was battery power or not). It is even worse with our xc90t8. I can be a mile from work with 3/4 of the battery capacity and it will start if it is less than 50 degrees. You also need a light touch on the accelerator to keep it from starting. I only like the phev for long trips. It is so much better with a BEV (we have had two). I am looking forward to adding the lightning to our fleet and passing our Tacoma on to someone else who will appreciate it more.

I found this interesting. We drove a Ford Fusion Energi PHEV for 3 years. You couldn't even hear the engine come on. Yes, in cold weather it comes easily, immediately if you request heat, but we could make it 3 miles to the entrance to the expressway without it coming on if we didn't turn on the heat. Then, once you step on the pedal on the on ramp, it's on and staying on if you're driving at highway speeds.

 

[VTbuckeye]

I found this interesting. We drove a Ford Fusion Energi PHEV for 3 years. You couldn't even hear the engine come on. Yes, in cold weather it comes easily, immediately if you request heat, but we could make it 3 miles to the entrance to the expressway without it coming on if we didn't turn on the heat. Then, once you step on the pedal on the on ramp, it's on and staying on if you're driving at highway speeds.

The volt was loud, but didn't run often (battery empty and temp less than 14F). The Volvo is much more eager to start. The engine is fairly smooth and isn't super loud, but it is noticable. Driving a BEV spoils you. Any vibration or noise is a lot.

 

[rdr854]

The volt was loud, but didn't run often (battery empty and temp less than 14F). The Volvo is much more eager to start. The engine is fairly smooth and isn't super loud, but it is noticable. Driving a BEV spoils you. Any vibration or noise is a lot.

I’m hoping our Lightnings will be as comfortable as our Volvos!

 

[jefro]

My i3 would run the generator once in a while. Someone said it sounded like a motorcycle was chasing the car.

 

[RedLightning86]

My guess is that we will see 270-300 miles range on the SR without a load. Especially after a few OTA updates to optimize the regen / motor efficiency.

Sure - if you only count downhill miles

 

[metroshot]

Graduating from a PHEV to a full EV makes a lot more sense to those that have "range anxiety" issues.

When I first transitioned from ICE to PHEV, it was much easier to understand how range depends on a multitude of variables that the ICE never had to deal with (except with winter blend fuel vs ethanol summer fuel).

If you are getting a BEV vehicle, just understand it's not your ICE vehicle.

So if you drive long distances daily, at high speeds on highways/freeways, re-charge in a cold climate area, use cabin heating, do not have recharge stations at your destination, and don't know how to gain maximum regen - then a full EV vehicle might not be for you.

 

[hturnerfamily]

for those of us who have owned and driven EVs for several years, the anxiety is NO LONGER about range, but about having to EVER stop again at a fuel station... with gas prices as they are currently, it brings the EV conversation to a much more positive front.
Also, the one thing that most ICE owners don't realize, until they own an EV, is that YOU are the fuel station, at Home, every Night.... try that with your ICE.

Yes, there are some differences to get used to, but isn't that a normal everyday part of life anyway? No matter how hard we'd want it to, life rarely stays the same for very long. I was quite content with my 'flip phone' that worked just fine. I had no reason to 'change' to a faceless 'screen only' iPhone.... oh well, I've owned more than 6 different ones, so far, since 2009. Now I understand.

 

[vandy1981]

We drove a Ford Fusion Energi PHEV for 3 years. You couldn't even hear the engine come on.

You could definitely hear the engine spool up on my C-Max Energi. I don't miss that sound at all.

 

[EaglesPDX]

For those with range anxiety with load, the F150's work range will probably match the Rivian's.

"Rivian R1T Towing Test: 9,000 pounds on the hitch for over 150 miles"

Saw a red F150 EV at the car show today. Gorgeous. They had identical F150 Hybrid parked next to it. $79k which is likley what the F150EV will run.

 

[jefro]

I'd think that the F150 will be less than the Rivian in e-mpg.

 

[LightningShow]

I'd think that the F150 will be less than the Rivian in e-mpg.

I would think that, too, but if you believe Ford then that's not the case. R1T has 314 mi range with a 133kWh usable battery (2.36 mi/kWh) and the F150ER has 300(est) with a 131kWh usable battery (2.29mi/kWh) WITH 1,000 lb of payload (still just a "target" obviously). The F150ER would only need 310mi of range, without payload, to match the Rivian. I would expect 1000lb of payload (minus driver) to get you more than 10 miles of range.

 

[williams]

Real world unloaded my guess will be 198

 

[EVTruckGuy]

Not sure why so many people have their heads in the sand on this and think ford has some magical pixie dust they sprinkle on each truck to defy physics.

The battery is 98kwh for standard range.

The real world efficiency it could reasonably achieve with standard mixed driving is 2.32miles/kwh...

98x2.32 is.... Drum roll.... 227 miles...

Why 2.32 miles/kwh... That's what the r1t got in edmunds test and the Lightning is not going to be better, at best, on par.

In real world driving at only freeway speeds using ac/heat or in cold temps... That efficiency is going to sink well below 2.

30 degrees with heat running... expect 170 miles at best.

Why wouldn't the Lightning be more efficient than the Rivian?

It's lighter. Doesn't weight have a big impact on EV efficiency?

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