News: T3 full-size electric EV pickup being delayed until 2028

[El Duderino]

I am just hoping Ford uses the F-150 body and cabin as basis for T3. That's what I like about the Lightning. Chevy and GMC EV trucks not using Silverado and Sierra cabin and bodies was a mistake. Just like Cybertruck body was.... You fill in the blank.

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[FloridaMan655321]

I'm glad they are doing a better job at planning their EV's moving forward. It kind of felt rushed when they first made it sound like T3 was coming right after the Lightning was released. It might have kept people from really looking close at the Lightning. Now I hope those people do look at it, but it might be too late.

I am also really hopeful on a nice small EV truck. This could really get people in the door for a second truck to putts around town, then realize how nice it is and how it's not a hinderance, start looking at the fullsize to replace their F150.

 

[swajames]

I will never understand the "I would upgrade for NACS" point. It is literally nothing more than a connector. If you have an adapter, about the only meaningful advantage a NACS connector has over CCS is that it would make for a slightly more comfortable dildo.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I will never understand the "I would upgrade for NACS" point. It is literally nothing more than a connector. If you have an adapter, about the only meaningful advantage a NACS connector has over CCS is that it would make for a slightly more comfortable dildo.

And the majority of connectors in North America are CCS1 or J1772, so anyone “upgrading” to NACS would have to use an adapter much more often.

 

[Shmoe]

And the majority of connectors in North America are CCS1 or J1772, so anyone “upgrading” to NACS would have to use an adapter much more often.

The majority of connectors are NACS due to the fact that Tesla wisely adds 8-12 stalls at each site .. the majority of charging _locations_ are CCS1/J1772.

The majority of cars on the road are NACS as well. It's not going to be a painless transition, but it is surely a wise one.

CCS will be a bad memory in 5-10 years.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The majority of connectors are NACS due to the fact that Tesla wisely adds 8-12 stalls at each site .. the majority of charging _locations_ are CCS1/J1772.

The majority of cars on the road are NACS as well. It's not going to be a painless transition, but it is surely a wise one.

CCS will be a bad memory in 5-10 years.

This is simply wrong. Yes, NACS are more highly concentrated and are single-branded (which makes them the most number of connectors from a single brand), but they simply do not account for most EV charging connectors.

There are ~191,000 J1772 and CCS1 (both L2 AC and DC) public plugs at 72,600 stations in North America.
There are ~51,000 NACS (both L2 AC and DC) public plugs at 9,000 stations in North America.

When counting only DCFC:

There are ~31,000 DC CCS1 plugs.

And ~36,000 NACS plugs.

Three are only about 16% more NACS than CCS1 plugs. But not all NACS plugs are compatible with non-T vehicles. The database doesn’t properly distinguish compatible and incompatible NACS plugs, so I don’t have a better number.

With NACS plugs concentrated into <3600 stations, they’re far less accessible than CCS1 plugs, which are spread out to ~12500 stations: This means it’s far, far easier to find a CCS1 DC fast charger than a NACS fast charger.

I’ll stick with my CCS1 plugs for as long as I do road trips and will rarely have to use an adapter of any kind.

 

[VTHokies]

I will never understand the "I would upgrade for NACS" point. It is literally nothing more than a connector. If you have an adapter, about the only meaningful advantage a NACS connector has over CCS is that it would make for a slightly more comfortable dildo.

because Tesla supercharging with the subscription is so much cheaper than the CCS options so it would be better to not have to deal with an adapter... all the trips I take I use tesla to charge and only ever used EA just because of the free 250kWh that Ford gave us.

 

[Shmoe]

This is simply wrong. Yes, NACS are more highly concentrated and are single-branded (which makes them the most number of connectors from a single brand), but they simply do not account for most EV charging connectors.

There are ~191,000 J1772 and CCS1 (both L2 AC and DC) public plugs at 72,600 stations in North America.
There are ~51,000 NACS (both L2 AC and DC) public plugs at 9,000 stations in North America.

When counting only DCFC:

There are ~31,000 DC CCS1 plugs.

And ~36,000 NACS plugs.

Three are only about 16% more NACS than CCS1 plugs. But not all NACS plugs are compatible with non-T vehicles. The database doesn’t properly distinguish compatible and incompatible NACS plugs, so I don’t have a better number.

With NACS plugs concentrated into <3600 stations, they’re far less accessible than CCS1 plugs, which are spread out to ~12500 stations: This means it’s far, far easier to find a CCS1 DC fast charger than a NACS fast charger.

I’ll stick with my CCS1 plugs for as long as I do road trips and will rarely have to use an adapter of any kind.

Generally, I dont level 2 charge in public. Generally its opportunistic charging at a hotel when I'm staying overnight. That's about it. Most people don't level 2 charge away from home either.

What actually matters is DC fast charging, and as you showed, there are 5,000 more ports.

 

[Shmoe]

because Tesla supercharging with the subscription is so much cheaper than the CCS options so it would be better to not have to deal with an adapter... all the trips I take I use tesla to charge and only ever used EA just because of the free 250kWh that Ford gave us.

It would be a chef's kiss if we could just get plug and charge going but with subscription rates.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Generally, I dont level 2 charge in public. Generally its opportunistic charging at a hotel when I'm staying overnight. That's about it. Most people don't level 2 charge away from home either.

What actually matters is DC fast charging, and as you showed, there are 5,000 more ports.

What you do and what the majority do are clearly different. Public L2 chargers are used at a far higher rate than DCFC. Just because you don't use them has no bearing on this fact.

DC NACS may have 5000 more ports but they're in 9000 fewer (one quarter as many) locations. And, again, not all of those ports are useable by the majority of vehicles. That makes them much less accessible to most people in North America.

 

[Shmoe]

What you do and what the majority do are clearly different. Public L2 chargers are used at a far higher rate than DCFC. Just because you don't use them has no bearing on this fact.

DC NACS may have 5000 more ports but they're in 9000 fewer (one quarter as many) locations. And, again, not all of those ports are useable by the majority of vehicles. That makes them much less accessible to most people in North America.

Suffice to say if you have home charging, you aren't utilizing Level 2 in many places.

 

[Maxx]

There is literally nothing wrong with the Lightning platform that requires billions of R&D into a totally different truck. All they need to do is use Gen2+ batteries with higher energy densities, put 200kWh+ with 350kW+ charging in, and it would be gold. (Also upgrade the infotainment computer)

I get what you are saying; I love my Lightning as is but the fact that it is frankensteined together has made it a bigger nightmare for Ford than it has made it for us to deal with (the software). Ford needs a wholistic approach like Rivian or Tesla. I am getting to the end of my warranty and a ton of my modules still need updates which dealer is asking $2K to do the updates.

If I remember correctly Lightning drag coefficient is around 0.46. R1T is 3.0. Lightening design does a lot of damage to efficiency in the highway.

I have no problem with my charging speed and charging port but I am always nervous about reliability of my battery. If a new tech came along with significantly better safety, reliability that could last longer with passive cooling, I would consider an upgrade just for peace of mind Even if it had the same density.

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