2022 Lightning EPA highway + city range / efficiency numbers posted

[Roy2001]

Hypothetical question here.
If I have a 300 mile trip to make and there are no charge stations available anywhere along that route, does it make sense to take the scenic byways instead of the interstate?

If you have no choice, keep driving at 50mph, try as much as possible to reduce any electricity usage.

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[GoGoGadgetTruck]

I remember that calculator. My cara get poor mpg anyways and I make fairly decent money so it told me I should be driving something like 120 or 140. Think it would hold up in a court of law?

the only way you'd get a Lightning to 140 is if it's falling off a cliff

 

[sotek2345]

the only way you'd get a Lightning to 140 is if it's falling off a cliff

Agreed - My GT350 on the other hand.....

 

[GoGoGadgetTruck]

Agreed - My GT350 on the other hand.....

hell, my old 1995 Mustang GT convertible could do 145 with enough open roadway.

hypothetically, I mean.

yeah.

hypothetically.

 

[sotek2345]

hell, my old 1995 Mustang GT convertible could do 145 with enough open roadway.

hypothetically, I mean.

yeah.

hypothetically.

So could my 1991 Dodge Daytona - hypothetically of course....

 

[jefro]

The F150L is a big sail. Slowing it down will help. At 35-45MPH on cruise control and limited stops they could really up the e-mpg.

 

[metroshot]

.... I also only plan one day at a time and always try to stay at a hotel with a charging station so I can always leave with 100% battery.

ABRP is also in "alpha" planning mode for the Lightning since it is approximating what consumption will be under various conditions, so it may do better as they get more data on how it performs in different conditions. I notice that the ABRP estimated energy consumption @ 65mph is very high: 596wh/mi. Try adjusting that to 552 which is what the SR truck is rated for on the highway, perhaps even closer to 500wh/mi since I believe the rated window sticker consumption reflects a 10% charging efficiency loss which isn't important for range.

Yes agree - when I drive my PHEV out of the area and need to stop at a hotel, I choose the one that has L2 EV chargers available.

Patronize the ones that cater to EV drivers!

 

[Roy2001]

I will be interested to see reports on how much Lightning will draw from outlet. I mean to fill 98kWh battery pack from 0 to 100%, how much it will draw from grid.

 

[jefro]

There is loss at EVSE and in the onboard charger along with the battery. My guess is about 10% depending on outside temps.
The battery may have to maintain temps and further worsen losses.

I monitor my Bolt EV overnight charging and it doesn't really take much overhead versus what the onboard use is each days drive.

 

[beatle]

My Tesla averages 86.69% charging efficiency on AC. Almost all of that is 240v. 120v is about 15% lower.

 

[LightningShow]

Hypothetical question here.
If I have a 300 mile trip to make and there are no charge stations available anywhere along that route, does it make sense to take the scenic byways instead of the interstate?

depends how much longer the scenic route is. If it’s 320 miles, yeah, you’ll probably arrive with more range. If it’s 350 it’s probably a wash. I’m assuming about a 20 mph difference in speed (ie 70 vs 50). If you need to go 300 miles on the interstate make sure your tires are inflated a few psi over spec and set cruise at 60. Maybe fold in the mirrors.

 

[Tony Burgh]

depends how much longer the scenic route is. If it’s 320 miles, yeah, you’ll probably arrive with more range. If it’s 350 it’s probably a wash. I’m assuming about a 20 mph difference in speed (ie 70 vs 50). If you need to go 300 miles on the interstate make sure your tires are inflated a few psi over spec and set cruise at 60. Maybe fold in the mirrors.

Maybe just fold one mirror (by hand).

 

[Nate977p]

I am going crazy here.... Where do they pull the 2-cycle info from on the EPA site? I scoured the site and cannot find it anywhere....

Wanted to bump this if anyone knows?

Also, I am exstatic about this highway range and efficiency. My Model 3 P is horrible on the highway. Best I have ever done on 100-0 is ~215 miles. A more normal 80-0 gets me about 170 miles in a stint. A real 275 on highway is a huge improvement!

We have a common trip from Boston to VT that is 140 miles each way. Even leaving with 100%, we have to stop to charge x2.... Definitely a surprise on a car sold with 310 miles . But love the 3 to death though. EV range really needs to be reported differently and not be bound by the limitations of the gas efficiency framework.

Something like: Highway (70mph)/ Highway (50 mph)/City/Combined range. And then two columns for mild weather and cold weather. It's a lot of numbers but they matter...

 

[LightningShow]

I definitely agree that something like 70/50/30mph efficiency numbers would be much more useful. Also, having the numbers at 75F and 20F would be great.

 

[VTbuckeye]

Wanted to bump this if anyone knows?

Also, I am exstatic about this highway range and efficiency. My Model 3 P is horrible on the highway. Best I have ever done on 100-0 is ~215 miles. A more normal 80-0 gets me about 170 miles in a stint. A real 275 on highway is a huge improvement!

We have a common trip from Boston to VT that is 140 miles each way. Even leaving with 100%, we have to stop to charge x2.... Definitely a surprise on a car sold with 310 miles . But love the 3 to death though. EV range really needs to be reported differently and not be bound by the limitations of the gas efficiency framework.

Something like: Highway (70mph)/ Highway (50 mph)/City/Combined range. And then two columns for mild weather and cold weather. It's a lot of numbers but they matter...

Yes. If the manufacturers just gave the numbers battery capacity, range at 70mph, range at 50mph, range at 30mph (cruise control set 100% to 0%) and they gave those numbers at 70 degrees, and 20 degrees then the consumer could plan a trip and properly compare different cars. If it is 0 degrees, knowing to subtract 10 to 20 percent from the 20 degree range and if 110 degrees subtracting 10 percent from the 70 degree range. Don't tell me the mpge that accounts for charging losses (don't charge really slow or really fast. Don't charge to 100 percent and there will be fewer inefficiencies). Just the pack size (useable) and range at specified speeds and temperatures.

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