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As many of you know, I recently purchased a used 2022 Lariat ER truck after negotiating the price from $42,000 to $36,500 through several email exchanges. I thought I had secured an incredible deal, but my confidence is waning.

Three days after I bought the truck, the rear passenger window rolled down and wouldn’t roll back up. While trying to close it before it rained, I removed the door’s interior panel using the toolkit I keep in all my vehicles. I quickly realized the window motor was stuck, possibly shorted, in the down position. The motor was very warm and humming, so I unplugged it. I noticed the system ran on just two wires, so I reversed the voltage to manually roll up the window and left it unplugged, as reconnecting it caused the window to go back down immediately.

I called the dealership where I purchased the truck. After some discussion, they agreed to ship me a replacement switch for the driver’s door to fix the issue, noting it’s a common problem. Relieved, I thought this was just a fluke.

Two days later, it rained for the first time since I bought the truck, and I discovered the ceiling was leaking while I was driving. I put back the fabric cover and found the moonroof leaking like a faucet. Water was pooling in the metal channel, splashing or dripping from the ceiling whenever I hit a bump or turned. By the time I arrived at work, my left side was wet, and I noticed the truck’s floor was soaked, like stepping on a wet rug with water oozing out of the carpet.

Concerned about the water damage, I left the truck running while parked at work and locked it, letting the HVAC system dry out the interior. I had read online to check the cable track for water, as clogged drains can cause flooding in the tracks. I removed one and found signs of mold inside, indicating this was not a new issue but one that had persisted for some time.

I contacted the dealership again and informed them of the leak. They told me to bring the truck in, as it was under warranty, but I would owe a diagnostic fee. I asked if I could take it to my local Ford dealership for repairs, but they informed me the warranty was only valid at their dealership, which is several hours away. After some back-and-forth, they agreed to waive the diagnostic fee this time since I had just purchased the truck.

On Friday, I drove several hours to the dealership and dropped off the vehicle. I’m now concerned after speaking with the service department. Apparently, the warranty only covers 50% of labor and parts, and not everything is included, according to the fine print. More troubling, the service advisor asked, “Isn’t that the truck we took back in a buyback?” I said no, as the Carfax reported a clean title, and during negotiations, the dealership repeatedly assured me the vehicle was clean.

I hope the dealership treats me fairly and covers the repairs, as this issue clearly predated my purchase. It’s been eating at me. I should have noticed the signs—the truck smelled freshly shampooed when I bought it, and the strong fragrance masked any odors. It was also parked under a building, so there was no way for water to leak while it was on the lot. I’m questioning whether the dealership misrepresented the vehicle’s condition.

I’m feeling a bit bummed. I was so excited about the truck—it drove beautifully, had minimal signs of wear on the body with no visible scratches, and the interior looked pristine. I thought I had walked away with a great deal. If the dealership gives me any trouble, I plan to contact Ford directly in hopes of being treated fairly.

Update: 6/4/25

I just got home from a multiple-hour drive back from the dealership. It was raining on the way home, and I didn't notice wet carpets or water dripping from the sunroof like before, so the issue seems to be repaired. They also replaced the master door switch to fix the rear passenger window issue. I'm going to keep an eye on the carpets and check daily for a while, since we're expecting a lot of rain this week. The interior has a slight mildew-like smell, but I'm hopeful this will dissipate as the truck fully dries out. I have a brand-new charcoal cabin filter waiting to be installed, which might help remove the smell. When I arrived to pick up the truck, the service advisor simply asked for the keys to the loaner and handed me the receipt with $0 owed, so I'm very grateful for how they took care of me. While I was there, I asked the sales advisor in person about the possible "buyback" status, and he said he checked with his manager, who confirmed it was not a buyback truck. Hopefully, the service advisor was just mistaken.
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If the dealership you bought this from knew this was a Ford buyback, legally a lemon, and did not disclose this information, one might expect they are subject to legal consequences. (Ford may be simultaneously writing this vehicle off as a total loss elsewhere.) That is about as dishonest as a seller can be. I'd suggest following up, using the vin# and whatever means you may have to investigate this possibility, to get a full vehicle service history if that is possible in the Ford service records, to either negate the sale or to acquire strong leverage with any future issues, which warranties do not seem to fully or adequately cover (to say nothing of lost time, inconvenience and induced stress) going forward. Sorry this happened to you. Super shady.
 

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Contact Ford Lightning customer service. They were very helpful in an issue I had
 

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Terrible dealership experience.

What you experienced may not be uncommon in F-150's - window stuck down and sun roof leaking - based on forum posts.

Seems there is a switch problem in the driver's control module in the arm rest that may need to be replaced, which is an easy fix.

The leaking sunroofs could be clogged drain tubes (common) or bad seals (also common). The tube clog means it has to be cleared it on a regular basis, the seal problem means good luck with that - some have had them replaced more than once to fix the leaking.

But the buy-back is the most concerning - whatever it was that caused the buyback needs to be disclosed/discovered. It was something that could not be fixed within a reasonable time.

Not disclosing the buyback may be a crime, but it varies from state to state.

If it was a safety issue:

"A vehicle that is bought back by the manufacturer due to a safety defect that could cause death or significant injury can't be resold to the general public unless the issue is completely rectified. Unlike state-organized lemon laws, this rule is a federal mandate covered by the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

Lemons with less serious issues usually are allowed to be resold by the manufacturer. However, buyback vehicles earmarked for resale are required to have some form of disclosure informing the buyer about its sour past."

https://www.capitalone.com/cars/lea...to-know-about-a-car-manufacturer-buyback/2761

Hopefully you can make lemonade out of the lemon. But you may have to consult a lemon law lawyer in your state, alas.
 

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Terrible dealership experience.

What you experienced may not be uncommon in F-150's - window stuck down and sun roof leaking - based on forum posts.

Seems there is a switch problem in the driver's control module in the arm rest that may need to be replaced, which is an easy fix.

The leaking sunroofs could be clogged drain tubes (common) or bad seals (also common). The tube clog means it has to be cleared it on a regular basis, the seal problem means good luck with that - some have had them replaced more than once to fix the leaking.

But the buy-back is the most concerning - whatever it was that caused the buyback needs to be disclosed/discovered. It was something that could not be fixed within a reasonable time.

Not disclosing the buyback may be a crime, but it varies from state to state.

If it was a safety issue:

"A vehicle that is bought back by the manufacturer due to a safety defect that could cause death or significant injury can't be resold to the general public unless the issue is completely rectified. Unlike state-organized lemon laws, this rule is a federal mandate covered by the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

Lemons with less serious issues usually are allowed to be resold by the manufacturer. However, buyback vehicles earmarked for resale are required to have some form of disclosure informing the buyer about its sour past."


https://www.capitalone.com/cars/lea...to-know-about-a-car-manufacturer-buyback/2761

Hopefully you can make lemonade out of the lemon. But you may have to consult a lemon law lawyer in your state, alas.
I completely agree,
This has been on my mind since i dropped it off, just weird that someone who works there would randomly ask me if my truck was the one they recently bought back... like what are the odds of that.

When i was negotiating for the truck, i did get a service record from the dealership from mile 0 along with car fax that showed 1 owner clean title, so idk what to think. I asked the sales guy that i worked with Monday if my truck was in fact a clean title non-buyback and he told me from everything he sees from his end its a clean normal sale truck.
 

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By chance have that information?
I’m sorry, but I can’t remember exactly where I found it, but it was somewhere on the app. You might just try googling “contact for lightning service assistance“
 
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In the app under road side assistance they have this number listed - +1 800-241-3673

To my knowledge only specific Ford dealers are even allowed to sell these buy backs. Capital Ford is one of them as others have posted about here. There is also additional paperwork required to sign with purchase about these vehicles. Not sure where you purchased from but if it's a Ford dealership I doubt they would falsify records and put their license to sell cars with Ford at jeopardy but stranger things have happened.

On the flip side when buying a buy back from Ford you would also get 1 year, 12,000 miles bumper to bumper warranty unless remaining factory warranty is greater then above.
 

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This has been on my mind since i dropped it off, just weird that someone who works there would randomly ask me if my truck was the one they recently bought back... like what are the odds of that.
You know, it just occurred to me that maybe it was not an OFFICIAL buyback through Ford but one the dealership did for customer goodwill, then it would not show up as a lemon and Ford Inc would not consider it a lemon buyback.

"Buy back" has a particular meaning to Ford but could be used casually by the tech?

Of course since it came with problems (leaky sun roof and the stuck window) so that is probably why the dealership bought it back from their customer, if that is what happened.

If it wasn't a lemon type of "buy back" then maybe those two things are all that's wrong with it. That would be the best scenario.

Hope it works out for you.
 
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Thank you all for the information and optimism. The dealership contacted me this afternoon and informed me the truck was done and ready for pickup. They said the leak was from ALL the drains being clogged and the master switch on the driver's door was shorted. They did all the repairs without ever bringing up a repair price and only called me when the truck was done and i didn't even get the call, it was left as a voicemail that i listened to when i got off work.

I also called Ford at 1-800-334-4375 and asked if i could get a buyback status on my vehicle and the person i spoke to couldn't find any buyback status in their system by the VIN.

I have already told my job I'm going to head tomorrow to pickup my truck, so i hope everything is really fixed and they are honoring all of this work, thus why no repair prices have been mentioned to date.

Questions i have:
Can the drains being clogged cause that much leaking in the truck to the point the carpet is sopping wet?
 
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Can the drains being clogged cause that much leaking in the truck to the point the carpet is sopping wet?
Yes, also a few prior incidents documented in the forum involved disconnected hoses at the moonroof, those folks had water running down into the cab soaking the carpet!
 
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Thank you all for the information and optimism. The dealership contacted me this afternoon and informed me the truck was done and ready for pickup. They said the leak was from ALL the drains being clogged and the master switch on the driver's door was shorted. They did all the repairs without ever bringing up a repair price and only called me when the truck was done and i didn't even get the call, it was left as a voicemail that i listened to when i got off work.

I also called Ford at 1-800-334-4375 and asked if i could get a buyback status on my vehicle and the person i spoke to couldn't find any buyback status in their system by the VIN.

I have already told my job I'm going to head tomorrow to pickup my truck, so i hope everything is really fixed and they are honoring all of this work, thus why no repair prices have been mentioned to date.

Questions i have:
Can the drains being clogged cause that much leaking in the truck to the point the carpet is sopping wet?
Sounds like a happy ending.
 

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Update: 6/4/25

I just got home from a multiple-hour drive back from the dealership. It was raining on the way home, and I didn't notice wet carpets or water dripping from the sunroof like before, so the issue seems to be repaired. They also replaced the master door switch to fix the rear passenger window issue. I'm going to keep an eye on the carpets and check daily for a while, since we're expecting a lot of rain this week. The interior has a slight mildew-like smell, but I'm hopeful this will dissipate as the truck fully dries out. I have a brand-new charcoal cabin filter waiting to be installed, which might help remove the smell. When I arrived to pick up the truck, the service advisor simply asked for the keys to the loaner and handed me the receipt with $0 owed, so I'm very grateful for how they took care of me. While I was there, I asked the sales advisor in person about the possible "buyback" status, and he said he checked with his manager, who confirmed it was not a buyback truck. Hopefully, the service advisor was just mistaken.
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