Converting a truck to CCS2

[Ronaldvo]

Okay, thanks.

Just to be clear, I'm not using zero, but only L1 and L2 for charging. Is that correct?
so l2 replaces the N ?

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[Maquis]

Okay, thanks.

Just to be clear, I'm not using zero, but only L1 and L2 for charging. Is that correct?
so l2 replaces the N ?

Not sure I understand the question. The voltage L1 to N must not exceed 240V (nominal).
For the Ford charge station (linked) the terminals A and B would connect to Lx (any phase) and N, respectively. ‘N’ is the wye point of your 3 phase system.

 

[Ronaldvo]

Not sure I understand the question. The voltage L1 to N must not exceed 240V (nominal).
For the Ford charge station (linked) the terminals A and B would connect to Lx (any phase) and N, respectively. ‘N’ is the wye point of your 3 phase system.

I think we're not quite understanding each other. And that's no problem.

In your previous message, I thought I could charge the truck with a 2-phase AC supply. But I think I'm wrong and that the truck can only charge with a 1-phase supply?

Our power grid:

L1 - N is 230V
L1 - L2 is 400V

 

[Maquis]

I think we're not quite understanding each other. And that's no problem.

In your previous message, I thought I could charge the truck with a 2-phase AC supply. But I think I'm wrong and that the truck can only charge with a 1-phase supply?

Our power grid:

L1 - N is 230V
L1 - L2 is 400V

I think we are saying the same thing…..perhaps a bit of a language barrier.
The truck will accept 1 phase only. 2 conductors from a 3 phase system is 1 phase.
2 phase is a completely different topology using 5 conductors with the phase conductors 90 degrees apart, 3 phase is a 120 phase angle. So forget 2 phase, it’s not relevant.

The key fact is that you need 240V (nominal) to charge. It doesn’t matter if one of the conductors is a neutral.

 

[Al_V]

Do you have a product link ? U.S. spec 80A EVSE
many thanks

I would NOT recommend the gigantic over priced problematic Ford charge station pro.
Here is a better option:
https://grizzl-e.com/products/grizzl-e-ultimate/?v=variant_01HVH120TCWA5HKCPN1A8KMSM0

 

[chl]

I would NOT recommend the gigantic over priced problematic Ford charge station pro.
Here is a better option:
https://grizzl-e.com/products/grizzl-e-ultimate/?v=variant_01HVH120TCWA5HKCPN1A8KMSM0

You can buy a brand new FCSP on eBay or sometimes here on the forum for the $500-$600 range. My experience has been positive except for the set-up app.
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I bought my Ford Charge Station Pro in Jan 2024 on eBay new in box unused for $600 including shipping. I transferred the warranty (3 years) with the help of the original owner who has to submit the info to Ford in a telephone call.

The setup app was the only thing that gave me problems because it did not want to communicate with the Ford App (FordPass back then) and let me add it to FordPass in the last set-up step. But after an update to the FCSP software and firmware, that issue went away and I completed the setup.

Even without the FordPass connection the FCSP charged the truck just fine from day one using the on-board menu in the truck.

I mounted mine inside my garage with a pass-through to the driveway, so no chance weather (rain etc) would penetrate the FCSP cover and cause problems as some have had - likely due to mistakes in installation - requires water-tight conduit connections and seating the cover just right for outdoor use.

Now, I only tested it at 80A once when a fellow forum member came over to try it with his ER trim - I have an SR so limited to 48A - but it worked fine in the test.

So in my almost 1 year of use I have not seen any problems other than the initial FordPass/setup glitch. After an update (to the truck or the FCSP, not sure) it defaulted to a low max amperage but I used the FordPass app to raise it back to 48A.

One or two times I needed to reset the FCSP breaker after a power glitch from the utility (I think) that put the FCSP into a station reset (solid white indication light).

Now many folks have had trouble with the blue-tooth used when integrated with the HIS as noted in posts on the forum.

The Grizzl-e is not without issues according to some reviews and posts on the Mach-e forum most seem to be with the app or the server it needs to connect to causing issues, but there have been issues requiring warranty returns/replacements.

I considered the Grizzl-e before I bought the FCSP and looked at reviews. Some were very positive, but the ones where there were problems gave me pause.

And I would not call the FCSP "gigantic?" It is no bigger than the GE Watt Station I bought in 2011 for example.

 

[chl]

I have a house in Montserrat British West Indies and they use a 3-phase system for distribution.

Generally only one phase at 230V is provided to a residential dwelling using one phase and the neutral, commercial building can get 3-phase 400V if needed.

As others have mentioned you should be able to get 220V or 230V from a proper connection, if you don't understand how to do this, have a local licensed electrician do it!

From what I read, in the Netherlands, a nominal 230V (220V-240V) at a nominal 50Hz (50Hxz-60Hz) is a standard in plugs and outlets - maybe that is what you have?

That should be easy to hard wire for 80A using the correct breaker (100A) and wire size (3AWG copper - or whatever standard is used for wire sizes there).

 

[Al_V]

And I would not call the FCSP "gigantic?" It is no bigger than the GE Watt Station I bought in 2011 for example.

Side-by-Side Dimensions Comparison

Feature	Ford Charge Station Pro	Grizzl-E Ultimate 80A
Height	595 mm (23.4 inches)	260 mm (10.25 inches)
Width	322 mm (12.7 inches)	160 mm (6.25 inches)
Depth	176 mm (6.9 inches)	93 mm (3.75 inches)
Weight	~12 kg (~26.5 lbs)	~9 kg (~19.8 lbs) (equipment weight)
Max Output	80 amps	80 amps
Connector	CCS1 (J1772 with DC pins)	J1772 or NACS (AC only)

Volume: 23.4*12.7*6.9=2050 square inches. . . . . . . . . .. . 10.25*6.25*3.75=240 square inches

 

[chl]

I think you should be able to find adapters for using a CCS1 vehicle with a CCS2 EVSE, and one for the opposite conversion.

And there are some that advertise they can go up to 80A:

https://www.chinaevcharger.com/ev-c...ctric-car-charger-plug-150a-600v-dc-ccs2.html

 

[chl]

Side-by-Side Dimensions Comparison

Feature	Ford Charge Station Pro	Grizzl-E Ultimate 80A
Height	595 mm (23.4 inches)	260 mm (10.25 inches)
Width	322 mm (12.7 inches)	160 mm (6.25 inches)
Depth	176 mm (6.9 inches)	93 mm (3.75 inches)
Weight	~12 kg (~26.5 lbs)	~9 kg (~19.8 lbs) (equipment weight)
Max Output	80 amps	80 amps
Connector	CCS1 (J1772 with DC pins)	J1772 or NACS (AC only)

Volume: 23.4*12.7*6.9=2050 square inches. . . . . . . . . .. . 10.25*6.25*3.75=240 square inches

Yes it's all realtive, lol.

What I find "gigantic" is the CCS1 plug compared to J1772...

 

[Al_V]

Yes it's all realtive, lol.

What I find "gigantic" is the CCS1 plug compared to J1772...

Agreed!

 

[ZSC100]

So, for the OP, there isn't really such a thing as 2phase, if you're referring to using L1 and L2 of a 3phase system (or any 2 of the legs) that's just single phase. Because of the weird 120deg relationship between 3phase power and that they are all connected in a 360deg winding of a transformer or generator there is no such thing as 2phase, because if you have 2phase you in a weird way have 3phase. I know this is confusing, it's even confusing for EE's that aren't in the power industry that work on it everyday.

As others have said here, just use one of your phases to neutral and you'll have a voltage acceptable for the North America truck. The efforts required to convert your truck to 3phase using a MachE charger are not economical.

 

[chl]

So, for the OP, there isn't really such a thing as 2phase, if you're referring to using L1 and L2 of a 3phase system (or any 2 of the legs) that's just single phase. Because of the weird 120deg relationship between 3phase power and that they are all connected in a 360deg winding of a transformer or generator there is no such thing as 2phase, because if you have 2phase you in a weird way have 3phase. I know this is confusing, it's even confusing for EE's that aren't in the power industry that work on it everyday.

As others have said here, just use one of your phases to neutral and you'll have a voltage acceptable for the North America truck. The efforts required to convert your truck to 3phase using a MachE charger are not economical.

Some call our 'split-phase' residential service "2-phase," and well it does result in 2 phases 180 degrees out of phase, so you can understand some confusion.

I had to look up whether there is such a thing as a 2 phase system - apparently at one time there was such a thing in the early 20th century, with 2 phases 90 degrees apart to provide constant power but it has been replaced with 3 phase which does a better job of providing constant power.

Hopefully, the OP doesn't have one of those obsolete 2 phase systems lurking around his neighborhood!

Learn something new every day.

 

[bmwhitetx]

If buying new, I also agree to stay away from the Ford Charger Station Pro and its CCS1 connector. First decide if you really need an 80-amp charger, You likely would be fine with 48A at 240V. Since 2024, Lightnings can only accept 48A and I've haven't seen complaints.

Down the road, you will find many more AC adapters that are compatible with the J1772 connector instead of the gigantic CCS1 connector where only a couple of similarly gigantic adapters exist.

I used a FCSP with that bulky head and cable for a year. Switched to an Emporia 48A and love the smaller connector and lighter, more flexible cable. Much smaller footprint on the wall as @Al_V notes.

 

[chl]

If buying new, I also agree to stay away from the Ford Charger Station Pro and its CCS1 connector. First decide if you really need an 80-amp charger, You likely would be fine with 48A at 240V. Since 2024, Lightnings can only accept 48A and I've haven't seen complaints.

Down the road, you will find many more AC adapters that are compatible with the J1772 connector instead of the gigantic CCS1 connector where only a couple of similarly gigantic adapters exist.

I used a FCSP with that bulky head and cable for a year. Switched to an Emporia 48A and love the smaller connector and lighter, more flexible cable. Much smaller footprint on the wall as @Al_V notes.

Good points.

That clunky CCS1 annoys me every time I try to plug it in in the dark.

Some folks with the ER batteries need the 80A, older Lightnings and fleet vehicles (still an option I think). Since Ford was giving them away, there were quit a few on eBay and elsewhere for less than half the list price when I was looking.

One advantage of the CCS1 at home is if you have an HIS system, but unfortunately the Ford/SunRun thing has been a big headache for many according to all the posts about problems, and a class-action lawsuit seems to be brewing about it.

I was considering the HIS until I looked into it - too buggy and too expensive for what you get.

The Sigenergy system seems to work with the Mach-e and the Lightning for now, but you don't need the FCSP for that:

See the demonstration of it with a Mach-e in this video:

Their DC charger with V2X with either CCS1 or NACS plug (even have it with CHAdeMO - talk about a big plug!):

https://www.sigenergy.com/en/products/dc-charger

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