Farley says Ford is behind in EV (vs. Tesla and China) so Ford can't afford to "walk away from EVs."

[Firn]

Anyone who shows up at a Tesla charger that is incompatible is either uniformed or clueless.

Having to know which ones you can use, and which you cannot, only highlights the failure more rather than diminishing it.

Aside from brand loyalty or picky performance car owners, when was the last time you had to pick a certain gas station because others wouldn't be able to refuel your car.

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[RickLightning]

Having to know which ones you can use, and which you cannot, only highlights the failure more rather than diminishing it.

Aside from brand loyalty or picky performance car owners, when was the last time you had to pick a certain gas station because others wouldn't be able to refuel your car.

I agree with you that I would not take a long trip with 2 little kids. We have done 31 states and a province, and enjoy planning our trips. Each year it gets easier. Going to Florida is almost no planning now.

 

[RickKeen]

Make better software.
Software cost scales inverse with unit sales.
So you have to go big. Think Microsoft, Amazon, Apple. Never going to be able to afford good software for low volume products.

 

[Newton]

Glad to hear, but honestly, as far as western states, Colorado and California are probably the major outliers.

Plus, there is a real difference between the "wide open west," and "away from the Interstate".

If you have some method of finding hidden chargers out west (divining rod?) besides PlugShare, I'd love to know about it....

You don’t know what you are talking about.

Signed…
Washingtonian who drives from Canada to Calfornia on the backroads in a *Standard Range* Lightning.

 

[EV Engineer]

Anyone who shows up at a Tesla charger that is incompatible is either uniformed or clueless.

This is such a myopic view of the problem it cannot be taken seriously. For a hobbyist / early adopter ---sure.

But for the average car buyer who has interest, reads that Tesla chargers are supported via Ford. Then sees a Tesla charger in their neighborhood only to realize its a V2 that is a huge issue. Not saying it's Ford's fault or Tesla's. But it's a massive growing pain of the industry.

It's great that you CAN drive coast to coast. America is getting there. But we just are not there. The fact that you're using 3-4 different apps and trying to figure out which chargers are compatible I would consider a massive headache if you weren't an enthusiast.

My wife is pro EV and loves the truck. I can tell you she does not like to fool with the vehicle if it's going to require a DCFC.


I think 800V architechure (cut charge times down 40% or so) and doubling the DCFC footprint is the solution. That is 3-5 years away minimum. We will get there.

We are not there.

 

[RickLightning]

This is such a myopic view of the problem it cannot be taken seriously. For a hobbyist / early adopter ---sure.

But for the average car buyer who has interest, reads that Tesla chargers are supported via Ford. Then sees a Tesla charger in their neighborhood only to realize its a V2 that is a huge issue. Not saying it's Ford's fault or Tesla's. But it's a massive growing pain of the industry.

It's great that you CAN drive coast to coast. America is getting there. But we just are not there. The fact that you're using 3-4 different apps and trying to figure out which chargers are compatible I would consider a massive headache if you weren't an enthusiast.

My wife is pro EV and loves the truck. I can tell you she does not like to fool with the vehicle if it's going to require a DCFC.

I used the words "uninformed or clueless". If one got/gets the adapter from Ford, it includes a big blue brochure inside (6 1/2 by 7 1/2 inches) that cannot be missed.

When opened, it clearly says "Use FordPass... to find designated Tesla Superchargers near you." It includes a graphic (see below) that explains where it works and doesn't work.

If you don't read the brochure, it's on you.
If you don't use FordPass to find a charger, it's on you.

If one scans the QR code, it brings up a page that says "How do I find designated Tesla Superchargers?"

If you go through forums / FB pages for the various manufacturers, you find post after post after post from people who went to numerous Tesla non-compatible locations and tried to charge. You find people who tried to use the adapter at a destination charger, and it didn't work. Or, vice versa.

The reality is that EVs aren't going to work for those that want to go through life not learning and understanding things. My wife doesn't want to know anything about fast charging, or planning a trip, that's on me. She didn't open the box, she didn't read the card, and she likely will never be DC fast charging without me. She is "uninformed". She isn't clueless.

People buy a $50,000 or $140,000 (Hummer EV) vehicle and don't read the manual. Then they don't know how to work anything, go on Facebook, and ask how to do something and get 27 different answers, half of them wrong. Society is doomed.

But, in reality, the vast majority of EV owners never need to charge away from home. My wife comes home, parks in the garage, and plugs in. In the morning, she unplugs and drives away.

That said, when the charger doesn't work, she has no clue. Troubleshooting electronics is not high on her list, nor many people's list. So again, not for everyone.

 

[JTWIRE55]

This is such a myopic view of the problem it cannot be taken seriously. For a hobbyist / early adopter ---sure.

But for the average car buyer who has interest, reads that Tesla chargers are supported via Ford. Then sees a Tesla charger in their neighborhood only to realize its a V2 that is a huge issue. Not saying it's Ford's fault or Tesla's. But it's a massive growing pain of the industry.

It's great that you CAN drive coast to coast. America is getting there. But we just are not there. The fact that you're using 3-4 different apps and trying to figure out which chargers are compatible I would consider a massive headache if you weren't an enthusiast.

My wife is pro EV and loves the truck. I can tell you she does not like to fool with the vehicle if it's going to require a DCFC.


I think 800V architechure (cut charge times down 40% or so) and doubling the DCFC footprint is the solution. That is 3-5 years away minimum. We will get there.

We are not there.

From where we were 2-3 years ago, we are so much closer to being in a good position. It is so much better than then. I own a Tesla too and there are not a great amount of V2s I have come across.

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