Is anyone getting more miles per charge? I had it for 3 years and it seems im getting more as it it gets older?

[2022 Carbonized Gray Lari]

while it's nice to think that the guessometer is somehow now 'giving' you more miles... it's, well, just a guessometer ...

no, you'll never get more 'miles' than you got yesterday, last year, or three years ago - but what the guessometer 'says' is something different... it's just trying to be nice to you. : )

Not worried about it.

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[RLXXI]

if there’s ice-snow on the road I drive slower so it tends to work out lol 🧊

We rarely get the white stuff way down here on the gulf coast, really only have 2 seasons, real effing hot and mild.

We did get a surprise this past winter though, record breaking 10" in my backyard.

 

[flabrent]

Looks beautiful, unfortunately I live in north county San Diego, lol

Never say never.
Until last January I'd laugh when people asked "will the snow reach us?"
The picture is six inches of snow on my deck. We had "drifts" around town of more than two feet.

 

[RLXXI]

I've got 1000 all city miles on my truck and so far it's hovering around 2.0 mi/kWh. I keep it on sport mode and drive accordingly, lets just say I have a spirited driving style to match the trucks power lol.

 

[Grumpy2]

Not worried about it.

Good News, 3 years and 105k miles, and you are still showing apparently little impact to your battery regardless of how you drive.

 

[detansinn]

I would not use the guess-o-meter as a basis for an efficiency increase.
Between parts getting to know each other and software updates, I have seen a marginal increase in my typical mi/kwh as I come up to 50k miles.

As for heat pump vs resistive heating, there are trade-offs. For example, the AC in the resistive heating trucks appears to be a little more efficient than the cooling in the heat pump trucks. While the resistive heater is less efficient than the heat pump, there's no night and day difference here. My brother has a heat pump in his Flash. My 23 Lariat has the resistive heater.

Steering wheel and heated seats are all resistive heating regardless of what you're using for cabin heat. Incidentally, using them is more efficient than trying to warm all of the air in your cabin. In the dead of winter, I set the interior temp to the 60s -- folks are in their hoodies and sweaters anyway. If you're balking at my miserly low cabin temp, the Lightning still gets much warmer than any ICE vehicle on a short ride when I am up in Maine.

Cold weather performance has much more to do with keeping the pack warm vs the cabin warm. If you leave the truck plugged in on those cold nights, you'll see much better efficiency as the truck isn't trying to warm the pack up when you venture out.

 

[RickLightning]

More so for 22-23 models, they have resistive heating that sucks up the watts, 24-25 have heat pumps, much more efficient although the rear defrost, seats, mirrors, steering wheels are still resistive.

One of the "challenges" in the heat pump discussion is proof. With both the Mach-E and Lightning, Ford introduced the heat pump. I cannot recall reading a single head-to-head comparison anywhere that proved the heat pump resulted in a measurable difference in efficiency for an owner.

In other words, there are features that gain efficiency for fleets of vehicles. Like the air dam on the front that lowers at speed (or on the older trucks was fixed). People remove them, and report no difference in efficiency because they lack the ability to measure it, yet across millions of vehicles it saves fuel.

There are some Mach-E owners that plan to do some testing this coming winter (since the 2025's got it but delivered when dead of winter was over).

I have seen the following things posted about the heat pumps:

- vibration noticeable
- noise noticeable
- slower heating noticeable

One other reason for heat pumps to be added is to remove one of the differentiating factors between Ford and non-Ford EVs, even if the gain is slight on efficiency.

I look forward to a real scientific analysis during the coming winter.

 

[RLXXI]

One of the "challenges" in the heat pump discussion is proof. With both the Mach-E and Lightning, Ford introduced the heat pump. I cannot recall reading a single head-to-head comparison anywhere that proved the heat pump resulted in a measurable difference in efficiency for an owner.

In other words, there are features that gain efficiency for fleets of vehicles. Like the air dam on the front that lowers at speed (or on the older trucks was fixed). People remove them, and report no difference in efficiency because they lack the ability to measure it, yet across millions of vehicles it saves fuel.

There are some Mach-E owners that plan to do some testing this coming winter (since the 2025's got it but delivered when dead of winter was over).

I have seen the following things posted about the heat pumps:

- vibration noticeable
- noise noticeable
- slower heating noticeable

One other reason for heat pumps to be added is to remove one of the differentiating factors between Ford and non-Ford EVs, even if the gaun is slight on efficiency.

I look forward to a real scientific analysis during the coming winter.

You don't have to wait for anything, it's a scientifically proven fact heat pumps use less electricity than resistive heating, one would have to fully understand the dynamics of the subject to prevent misunderstanding so I won't try to sell you something that's already proven.

I will leave you with this tidbit of info that pretty much explains it in simple terms, and leave you to draw your own conclusions.

A heat pump is significantly more energy-efficient and cost-effective than resistive heating because it moves existing heat rather than generating it, resulting in 3-4 units of heat for every unit of electricity consumed compared to a 1:1 ratio for resistive heating.

Which is also by the way the reason I switched from resistive heating to heat pump tech on my water heater, and clothes drier. Saves a ton of electricity.

 

[RickLightning]

You don't have to wait for anything, it's a scientifically proven fact heat pumps use less electricity than resistive heating, one would have to fully understand the dynamics of the subject to prevent misunderstanding so I won't try to sell you something that's already proven just for your benefit, it'd take weeks just to make you understand, well at least 2 weeks of classroom instruction in the field anyway.

I will leave you with this tidbit of info that pretty much explains it in simple terms, and leave you to draw your own conclusions.

A heat pump is significantly more energy-efficient and cost-effective than resistive heating because it moves existing heat rather than generating it, resulting in 3-4 units of heat for every unit of electricity consumed compared to a 1:1 ratio for resistive heating.

What's not proven is in either vehicle what the actual difference is in driving, and whether the tradeoff is worth it. If my efficiency in the dead of winter (which they don't have in the Big Easy) goes from 1.8 to 1.85, at the cost of slower heat or less strong heat and increased noise and vibration, do I as an owner care? Ford cares, because times hundreds of thousands of EVs they have increased the efficiency of their fleet.

The Lightning heater pre-heat pump is robust. In addition to cabin heat, it preconditions the battery for fast charging. In the dead of winter, that can impact charging time for close to 10 minutes. If the heat pump isn't as fast, that would also be a negative.

This past winter, we awoke in Idaho to go skiing. Hotel had no charging, and the battery was something like 14 degrees in the morning even with a remote start. I think it got to 30 or so by the time we got to the ski area. But the cabin was toasty.

We got new HVAC systems in our home last year. Heat pump options were a) more expensive and b) slower to heat than gas furnaces. In addition, at very cold temps the emergency backup (electric resistance heat) kicks in to blow your electric bill.

When I see a head-to-head scientific comparison of the factors, them I am interested. Lots of discussion over the past year or so on the forums, little results.

 

[gregoryhcain]

My actual SOC drop for my work commute done three days in a row in similar temps has not changed in over 55,000 miles.

 

[RLXXI]

What's not proven is in either vehicle what the actual difference is in driving, and whether the tradeoff is worth it. If my efficiency in the dead of winter (which they don't have in the Big Easy) goes from 1.8 to 1.85, at the cost of slower heat or less strong heat and increased noise and vibration, do I as an owner care? Ford cares, because times hundreds of thousands of EVs they have increased the efficiency of their fleet.

The Lightning heater pre-heat pump is robust. In addition to cabin heat, it preconditions the battery for fast charging. In the dead of winter, that can impact charging time for close to 10 minutes. If the heat pump isn't as fast, that would also be a negative.

This past winter, we awoke in Idaho to go skiing. Hotel had no charging, and the battery was something like 14 degrees in the morning even with a remote start. I think it got to 30 or so by the time we got to the ski area. But the cabin was toasty.

We got new HVAC systems in our home last year. Heat pump options were a) more expensive and b) slower to heat than gas furnaces. In addition, at very cold temps the emergency backup (electric resistance heat) kicks in to blow your electric bill.

When I see a head-to-head scientific comparison of the factors, them I am interested. Lots of discussion over the past year or so on the forums, little results.

That's great you're skeptical, that's what drives innovation. I have formal training in HVACR so it's easier for me to understand and I don't fully expect anyone less trained to either understand or agree.

Good day to you.

 

[Calvin H-C]

although the rear defrost, seats, mirrors, steering wheels are still resistive

All of those are negligible, at about 20-50 watts each, compared to something like 5 kW for the resistive heater for the cabin.

Using those over heating the whole cabin will provide a little more range on the current charge if you really need it to get to your destination and avoid a charging stop.

That said, I find the Lightning's range with or without the heating on has a much less effect on range than in my FFE. The range loss in distance is about similar for both, but in percentage, it's just over double the effect in the FFE.

 

[RLXXI]

All of those are negligible, at about 20-50 watts each, compared to something like 5 kW for the resistive heater for the cabin.

Using those over heating the whole cabin will provide a little more range on the current charge if you really need it to get to your destination and avoid a charging stop.

That said, I find the Lightning's range with or without the heating on has a much less effect on range than in my FFE. The range loss in distance is about similar for both, but in percentage, it's just over double the effect in the FFE.

Much more noticeable due to the smaller battery I'm sure.

 

[chl]

You don't have to wait for anything, it's a scientifically proven fact heat pumps use less electricity than resistive heating, one would have to fully understand the dynamics of the subject to prevent misunderstanding so I won't try to sell you something that's already proven.

I will leave you with this tidbit of info that pretty much explains it in simple terms, and leave you to draw your own conclusions.

A heat pump is significantly more energy-efficient and cost-effective than resistive heating because it moves existing heat rather than generating it, resulting in 3-4 units of heat for every unit of electricity consumed compared to a 1:1 ratio for resistive heating.

Which is also by the way the reason I switched from resistive heating to heat pump tech on my water heater, and clothes drier. Saves a ton of electricity.

Yes, even my old GE heat-pump water heater (installed in 2010) saved lots of energy and $$, and my new Rheem is even more efficient. Between an efficient water heater, LED lights, and energy star appliances we cut our electric bill in half. Additional roof insulation and a high-efficiency HVAC system saved a noticeable amount of $$ on heating and cooling as well.

Now how much energy is the heat pump in a Lightning vs regular heating going to save needs to be quantified.

A big factor to consider: you are heating a small area for a relatively short period of time.

The ROI (return on investment) for my hybrid (heat pump) water heater ($1100 in 2010) was break even in under 2 years (over $50 per month reduction in electricity costs).

But what is it for the Lightning heat pump?

 

[chl]

I have found, over about 14 years of driving a Nissan Leaf, that with the heated seats and heated steering wheel I generally do not need to heat the cabin with the resistive heater which does take quite a bit off the range (noticeable in a Leaf with a 24kWh battery and an est range of under 100 miles to begin with).

The heated seat and steering wheel have almost no effect on range in my Leaf, none noticeable anyway.

But I live is a temperate zone (northern Virginia) so the temps are relatively moderate and the cabin heat is rarely needed.

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