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I just read an article on Insiderevs.com that said Ford was losing $36,000 per Lightning and was scaling back on EV investment. Most of the posts on that article were gloom and doom and all about how Ford was losing the EV game. The fact is that the game is only just beginning and revolves around the Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency (CAFÉ) standards.

To give a little background, the CAFÉ standards were first mandated back in 1978 to combat rising fuel costs. For the first couple of years the requirements were very aggressive, rising 10 to 20 percent per year, then surprisingly the CAFÉ standards did not change from 1990 to 2010. The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA07) reset the CAFÉ targets and actually got us to the where we are today in terms of vehicle fuel efficiency and EVs.

Before 2011 the CAFÉ standards were fairly simple with one mpg target for passenger cars and one target for light trucks. In 2011 a footprint component was added making it much more complicated to calculate the CAFÉ requirement with still separate standards for passenger cars and light trucks. The Lightning has a “footprint” of about 74 square feet (the same for all F150 Crew Cabs), which puts it at the high end of the CAFÉ standard for light trucks.

For 2023 the CAFÉ standard for light truck with a 74 square foot footprint is about 26 mpg. The 2023 Lightning has a efficiency rating of 70 mpge but the most fuel efficient 2023 F150 is rated at 25 mpg (and that’s a hybrid) with the least fuel efficient 2023 F150 rated at 12 mpg. So it’s questionable whether Ford can even now achieve the CAFÉ standards on the F150 without the Lightning.

As I said, the CAFÉ calculations are complicated and I’m not sure if I am comparing the vehicle to the requirements correctly and since it’s a corporate average all the other Ford vehicles have to be factored in but the point is that the CAFÉ targets are moving and it’s going to get much, much more difficult for Ford to achieve the targets. The 2032 CAFÉ target for the 74 square foot footprint light truck is going to be about 42 mpg. So we are talking about increasing the average efficiency of the F150 by over 60% in less ten years keeping in mind that we went twenty years without increasing the efficiency requirements at all.

I don’t think Ford can achieve the CAFÉ targets without going all or mostly all electric. Of course, the car manufacturers can just pay the penalties, but the further vehicle average gets away from the target the steeper the penalties will be. As the CAFÉ penalties increase, ICE vehicle cost will increase making the scale tip further towards EVs and that’s what many people don’t seem to understand.
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If you do lots of towing would it even be possible to get 42 mpg? (using the numbers from the above post). Towing a RV or boat long distances seems to be the only drawback to having an electric vehicle like the lightning. Otherwise it is superior to an ICE vehicle, IMO.
Ford seems to be the only manufacturer making a truck that works, Tesla, GM and Ram are years away from being able.
 

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Excellent point on the CAFE standards. The only solution for the oil lovers is to remove the CAFE standards with new legislation . As the effects of climate change becomes impossible for everyone to ignore; changes to CAFE will be difficult to get thru congress.
 

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If you do lots of towing would it even be possible to get 42 mpg? (using the numbers from the above post). Towing a RV or boat long distances seems to be the only drawback to having an electric vehicle like the lightning. Otherwise it is superior to an ICE vehicle, IMO.
Ford seems to be the only manufacturer making a truck that works, Tesla, GM and Ram are years away from being able.
I would think CAFE relates to unladen vehicles.
 

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True it is unladen, but how many vehicles will be getting 58 mpg without battery help... ICE engines must be close to reaching maximum efficiency now
 

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ICE F150 for 2023 gets 12-25 mpg (based on the model) 2023 Ford F150 RAPTOR R 4WD 5.2 L, 8 cyl, Automatic (S10), Supercharger, Regular Gasoline gets 10mpg city ?
It is hard to believe that the efficiency will increase by 60% in 10 more years.
What does that mean for the future of trucks?

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Your driving the future. I can't believe GM is backing away from learning how to build a EV truck. I guess they will buy every year Lightning, and just copy...
I think Ford did a great job on my truck, it isn't perfect, especially the software, but it is a huge step in meeting these future standards.
 

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As reported by Reuters, The proposal by U.S. President Joe Biden's administration to hike fuel economy standards through 2032 would cost General Motors (GM.N)$6.5 billion in fines and Chrysler parent Stellantis (STLAM.MI) $3 billion, according to The American Automotive Policy Council letter seen by Reuters. Ford separately faces about $1 billion in penalties, the letter said, while Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE)faces upwards of $1 billion, the most among foreign automakers.

In June, Reuters first reported Stellantis and GM paid a total of $363 million in CAFE fines for failing to meet U.S. fuel economy requirements for prior model years.

Seems like a big stick.
 

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Ford’s loss includes the capital investment in BEV construction physical infrastructure investments. This would be similar to including your house or just driveway-garage debt on an auto purchase. On a newish home a two car garage + driveway could add $40K-$60K. Which could double+ your financed “car investment“ debt ? !

Ford probably did this to not hide that investment and make it clear to interested parties (banks, investor, unions, etc.) that BEV is not a slam dunk.
 
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True it is unladen, but how many vehicles will be getting 58 mpg without battery help... ICE engines must be close to reaching maximum efficiency now
True. We're basically at the thermodynamic limit. Now if we innovated ECEs (External Combustion Engines) we could easily quadruple current fuel efficiency, because unlike an ICE, all that heat isn't waste, but rather the main energy source harnessed to turn water to steam. And with modern electronics, safely managing a water heating combustion chamber and condenser system would be a piece of cake compared to the days of the Doble steam car's fully mechanical control systems.

But unfortunately the ICE came too soon and electronics came too late for that alternate timeline. Would be super cool though.

For R&D and packaging simplicity, an ICE range extender EV makes the most sense, but an ECE range extender would be amazing for efficiency.
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