LiveWire S2 Del Mar

[TaxmanHog]

https://www.livewire.com/s2-del-mar-electric-motorcycle

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[Jim Lewis]

I wonder if street "e-bikes" will be less safe than ICE bikes because they won't have the noise factor. As a driver who doesn't always see bikers stand out from the background, the noise of a bike is a big alert to me, particularly if they're overtaking me from behind and in my blind spot behind the left side of my vehicle.

 

[MickeyAO]

I wonder if street "e-bikes" will be less safe than ICE bikes because they won't have the noise factor. As a driver who doesn't always see bikers stand out from the background, the noise of a bike is a big alert to me, particularly if they're overtaking me from behind and in my blind spot behind the left side of my vehicle.

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I only needed to install the driver's side.

 

[Jim Lewis]

@MickeyAO, I think "seeing" is still a problem for me. I've been waiting to pull out of our neighborhood side street a time or two and failed to see a biker coming down the street amid everything else going on until they were pretty close to me. Forget whether they had their headlights on or not. My daughter's partner is an avid bicyclist and was doing about 28 mph when someone pulled out of a side street did not see him despite it being nighttime with him wearing a reflective vest and having flashers on his helmet and bike frame! People get fixated on car-, truck-sized objects, are distracted by those in the field of view, and perhaps don't look out for bikers and cyclists as much as they should. Me probably having that tendency, too.

The wide-angle mirror insert might be helpful if I paid more attention to what I saw in it. I drove a rental Hyundai several years ago, and I really liked the flashing warnings on, IIRC, the dash and the side view mirror that detected something in your side view blindspot or overtaking you at significant speed. I wish the Lightning had something like that.

 

[luebri]

I really Don’t mean to be a jerk, but if anyone is having that much problem “seeing” they need to stop driving. It is a fairly important part of driving!!

Both me and my brother are avid runners / cyclists and it is amazing how dangerous the roads are sometimes. The vast majority of my closest encounters are older drivers. It seems they either can’t see or think they are going to a get a damn felony if they cross the center line to give a runner or a cyclist a few extra feet of room. That was always especially infuriating when biking in my dual child trailer with my daughters with a orange flag and a blinking red light!

 

[luebri]

https://www.livewire.com/s2-del-mar-electric-motorcycle

As a 39 year old in Wisconsin (home of Harley) I know of very very few in my age group or younger with any interest in Harleys. I sure hope for their sake they gain some traction with Livewire brand or they are dying a slow death.

 

[TaxmanHog]

As a 39 year old in Wisconsin (home of Harley) I know of very very few in my age group or younger with any interest in Harleys. I sure hope for their sake they gain some traction with Livewire brand or they are dying a slow death.

Though I'm becoming an older biker, I have quite a few younger buddies that are still highly interested in Harley's more interested in ICE than EV interestingly enough.

Hopefully the "Urban" EV bikes attract the attention of younger generations where it fit's their use case.

 

[Jim Lewis]

I really Don’t mean to be a jerk, but if anyone is having that much problem “seeing” they need to stop driving.

I think the accident statistics show that most motorists are not looking out for bikers and cyclists as much as they should because they are distracted by all the other things on busy roads and bikers and cyclists are relatively small objects that easily blend in with the background at any distance. In my "son-in-law's" instance, he was bicycling home from work at night on a busy road with many lights on either side of the road and auto headlights, etc. So the trick was for someone to pick up a set of small moving lights in a background of bright lights and moving auto headlights.

Perhaps the Holy Grail is to have full 360-degree vehicle sensors that can pick up what humans cannot and process to useful information faster than humans can (or, supposedly, 5G is going to let vehicles talk to each other and negotiate safe passage faster than humans can). But an EV bike on the highway that makes little noise, can accelerate and brake like crazy, etc., may not help bike safety statistics, even though it's cool as H---!

 

[Shady]

I wonder if street "e-bikes" will be less safe than ICE bikes because they won't have the noise factor. As a driver who doesn't always see bikers stand out from the background, the noise of a bike is a big alert to me, particularly if they're overtaking me from behind and in my blind spot behind the left side of my vehicle.

People pull out in front of cops/emergency vehicles going code all the time. Loud pipes saving lives is a myth for the most part. Especially because the large portion of loud is behind the bike and not pushed forward.

 

[Heliian]

the noise factor.

It was never a safety thing.

It was an excuse for being loud and obnoxious.

Not driving like a tool and respecting other road users is the safest way to ride a bike.

slow death.

They are beyond dead, they are trying to reanimate a corpse.

 

[TaxmanHog]

It was never a safety thing.

It was an excuse for being loud and obnoxious.

Not driving like a tool and respecting other road users is the safest way to ride a bike.



They are beyond dead, they are trying to reanimate a corpse.

Disagree

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