Rhino liner & bed drain questions

[bc1]

Hello guys. Still planning on getting a Rhino liner sprayed in as soon as I get my tail gate security mods done. I have a few questions after talking to the guy in Wichita that does the spraying.

1. Should I drill a couple drain holes up front in the bed either before but probably after and about where and what size should they be?

2. There are two plastic plugs in the front lower corners of the bed that he said they usually spray over but everything else towards the rear involving the power options and storage box are removed and masked off. He said the front plugs don't fit back in after spraying. Thinking they were rubber like grommets that could be trimmed with a utility knife I removed one only to find they are plastic with two plastic tabs on top and two on the bottom and now the two on the top where I took it loose are stretched. Now I know why they spray over them since they probably break them off all the time. Now I plan to remove the other one, drill a hole in the middle, run a small bolt through, attached a short piece of 1/2" metal strap running across the back with a hole in it so I can stick them back in and tighten them up holding them in. I'm not sure what they are there for but I just as well preserve them unless there is a reason not to. Also below them might be a place to notch out for drain holes/slots.

3. The Rhino guy also said they remove the bed bolts before spraying and put them back in afterwards so you can remove the bed later. I can't think of a good reason to remove a bed unless it is wrecked and the rhino lining isn't any good anyway. To me, I figured if I really needed to remove the bed I could just cut out around the bolts. Any thoughts here?

4. Also talked to the guy about paying a little extra for a thicker coat just on the bottom. I figure the sides don't need it.

5. I know it isn't necessary but I'll probably put some type of rubber mat down just to help keep stuff from sliding around and finally decide on a bed cover after that.

Thanks.

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[Maquis]

A couple comments based on my observations -

The seams in the bed are so big that they won’t be sealed by a spray in liner. It will still drain.

The bed bolts must be replaced if they are removed.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Unless you’ve studied the body builder guide from Ford, do not drill anywhere in the bed. Similarly, don’t install any bolts or screws that are sharp such that the sharp parts point toward the battery and high voltage electronics.

Since I bought off the lot, my truck came with it already installed. I would have preferred it if they had removed the bed bolts, but as @Maquis notes, those bolts must be replaced if they’re removed.

Also, as noted, the seams in the bed are large enough you don’t need to do any additional drain work.

I would not pay extra for more on the floor of the bed. It’s already quite durable.

Similarly, the bed is very rough after the spray-on liner is installed. There’s no need for an additional anti-slip product.

 

[chriserx]

I did mine at the place the dealership sent me to, they removed the screws and clips and replaced. Bed drains fine except for the pine needles. Just noticed a couple days ago a clip is missing from the plastic tailgate protector. Guess I'll go pick some up when I remember.

 

[K6CCC]

The bed bolts must be replaced if they are removed.

Really? I wonder why.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The bolts are torque-to-yield.

 

[bc1]

Here is what I learned about torque to yield bolts which I don't entirely understand in relation to some bed bolts and particularly to a brand new pickup that hasn't had a lot of stresses applied to the bed from hauling heavy loads or driving lots of miles. Apparently they are designed to stretch a little bit when torqued up or perhaps they flex a little with a heavy load, I don't know.

1. Guess I wouldn't be afraid to reuse them on a new pickup but I would plan on overspraying them anyway with the rhino coat or else it defeats the purpose of putting the rhino coat in to start with. In fact, 1. with all the plastic covers at the rear of the bed on the sides, 2. I will probably never haul anything like rock or dirt, 3. I plan on putting on some type of top cover yet to be picked out, maybe I don't need to spend the $650 bux for rhino lining except for paint protection. What do others think? Worst I may haul is a load of limbs and leaves after storm damage to the dump.

2. Also, I assume by large seams in the bed you are talking about the one along the front wall where it meets the floor which doesn't get sealed by the rhino spray? Not sure I see any seams on the sides of the bed where they meet the floor that don't get sealed but if so let me know. Surely you don't mean seams in the floor. Please advise.

3. Does anyone know what purpose those front plugs serve as all I see behind the one is the wall of the cab in front? I suppose it could be an entry point if I wanted to run something electric back to the bed such as a Ham radio antenna?

Thanks.

From the interweb:


Torque to yield bolts, also known as TTY or stretch bolts, are a specialized type of fastener commonly used in the automotive and industrial sectors.

These bolts are designed to provide an extremely accurate and consistent clamping force, which is essential for maintaining the integrity of critical components, particularly in high-stress and high-pressure environments.

Torque to yield bolts are engineered to be tightened to a specific torque value and then further tightened by rotating the bolt to a specified angle, rather than a traditional torque value.

This unique tightening method brings the bolt to its yield point, where the bolt begins to stretch plastically, and ultimately achieves a more uniform and precise clamping force across the entire assembly.

The key difference between torque to yield bolts and standard bolts lies in their material properties and the way they are tightened. Standard bolts are tightened to a specific torque value, which remains within their elastic deformation range. This means that when the load is removed, the bolt returns to its original shape and size.

In contrast, torque to yield bolts are designed to be tightened beyond their elastic deformation range and into their plastic deformation range. At this point, the bolt undergoes a permanent stretch, ensuring the clamping force is maintained even under variable loads.

The use of torque to yield bolts offers several advantages, including improved load distribution, better gasket sealing, reduced risk of over-tightening, and a lower likelihood of bolt failure. These benefits make torque to yield bolts an essential component in various applications, such as automotive engines and high-pressure industrial machinery.

However, due to their unique design and function, torque to yield bolts require specific installation and maintenance procedures to ensure optimal performance and avoid potential damage.

Basics of Torque to Yield Bolts
Although torque to yield and standard bolts may appear similar at first glance, they differ significantly in their material properties, tightening method, and overall function.

Understanding these differences is crucial for choosing the right type of bolt for a specific application and ensuring proper installation and maintenance.

1. Material Properties
   • Torque to yield bolts: These bolts are made from materials that exhibit a higher level of ductility and elasticity compared to standard bolts. This allows them to undergo plastic deformation (permanent stretching) when tightened, providing an improved clamping force.
   • Standard bolts: These bolts typically possess lower ductility and elasticity, limiting their ability to stretch beyond their elastic deformation range. When tightened, they remain within the elastic region, ensuring that they return to their original shape and size once the load is removed.
2. Tightening Method
   • Torque to yield bolts: These bolts are tightened in two stages. First, they are tightened to a specific torque value. Next, they are further tightened by rotating the bolt to a specified angle, reaching their yield point and undergoing plastic deformation.
   • Standard bolts: Standard bolts are tightened to a predetermined torque value, which remains within their elastic deformation range. This ensures that the bolt does not stretch permanently and maintains its original size and shape after the load is removed.
3. Function and Clamping Force
   • Torque to yield bolts: The unique tightening method of torque to yield bolts results in a more uniform and precise clamping force across the entire assembly. This is crucial for maintaining the integrity of critical components in high-stress and high-pressure environments.
   • Standard bolts: While standard bolts provide a reliable clamping force, they may not offer the same level of precision and uniformity as torque to yield bolts, making them less suitable for certain applications where accurate and consistent clamping force is required.
4. Reusability
   • Torque to yield bolts: Due to their plastic deformation, torque to yield bolts are generally considered non-reusable. They may exhibit signs of fatigue or damage after being used and must be carefully inspected before considering reuse.
   • Standard bolts: Since standard bolts remain within their elastic deformation range when tightened, they can typically be reused multiple times, provided they are not damaged or excessively worn.

Understanding the differences between torque to yield and standard bolts is essential for making informed decisions when selecting and using these fasteners.

Proper application, installation, and maintenance of the appropriate bolt type will help ensure optimal performance, reliability, and longevity of the components being assembled.

Advantages of Torque to Yield Bolts
Torque to yield bolts offer several advantages over standard bolts, making them the preferred choice for various applications in the automotive and industrial sectors.

These benefits stem from the unique material properties and tightening method of torque to yield bolts, which result in a more accurate and consistent clamping force. Some of the main advantages of torque to yield bolts include:

1. Improved Clamping Force: The precise and uniform clamping force achieved by torque to yield bolts ensures that critical components are held together more effectively. This improved clamping force minimizes the risk of leaks, component separation, or damage due to uneven stress distribution.
2. Better Load Distribution: Torque to yield bolts provide a more even distribution of load across the entire assembly. This helps reduce stress concentrations and potential failure points, ultimately leading to increased reliability and longevity of the components.
3. Reduced Chance of Over-tightening: The two-stage tightening process of torque to yield bolts, which involves tightening to a specific torque value and then rotating the bolt to a specified angle, reduces the likelihood of over-tightening the bolt. Over-tightening can lead to bolt failure or damage to the components being fastened.
4. Lower Risk of Bolt Failure: Torque to yield bolts are designed to stretch permanently when tightened, resulting in a more consistent and controlled clamping force. This reduces the risk of bolt failure due to excessive stress or uneven load distribution.
5. Enhanced Gasket Sealing: In applications that require gasket sealing, such as cylinder heads in automotive engines, torque to yield bolts provide a more uniform clamping force that helps to maintain the integrity of the gasket. This reduces the chance of leaks and ensures optimal sealing performance.
6. Adaptability to Load Variations: Due to their ability to stretch and maintain consistent clamping force, torque to yield bolts are more adaptable to load variations caused by thermal expansion or contraction. This makes them suitable for applications with fluctuating temperatures and dynamic loads.

These advantages make torque to yield bolts an essential component in various high-stress and high-pressure applications, such as automotive engines, high-pressure industrial machinery, and heavy-duty equipment.

However, to fully capitalize on these benefits, it is crucial to follow proper installation and maintenance procedures and adhere to manufacturer guidelines.

How Torque to Yield Bolts Work
To understand how torque to yield bolts work, it is crucial to grasp the concepts of elastic deformation, plastic deformation, and the yield point.

These fundamental principles dictate the behavior of torque to yield bolts and how they provide a consistent and precise clamping force.

1. Elastic Deformation and Plastic Deformation
   • Elastic Deformation: This occurs when a material is subjected to stress and deforms (changes shape) but returns to its original shape once the stress is removed. Elastic deformation is reversible and does not result in any permanent change to the material.
   • Plastic Deformation: When a material is subjected to stress beyond its elastic limit, it undergoes plastic deformation. In this case, the material does not return to its original shape when the stress is removed, resulting in a permanent change. Torque to yield bolts are designed to undergo plastic deformation when tightened to ensure a consistent clamping force.
2. The Yield Point
   • The yield point is a critical parameter in the behavior of torque to yield bolts. It represents the stress level at which a material transitions from elastic deformation to plastic deformation. When a torque to yield bolt is tightened to its yield point, it stretches permanently, allowing it to maintain a consistent clamping force even under variable loads.
3. Torque Angle Method for Tightening Torque to Yield Bolts
   • Torque to yield bolts are tightened using a two-stage process called the torque angle method. This method involves:
     • Tightening the bolt to a specified torque value using a torque wrench. This initial tightening brings the bolt close to its yield point.
     • Further tightening the bolt by rotating it to a specified angle using a torque angle gauge or a torque wrench with angle measurement capabilities. This additional rotation brings the bolt beyond its yield point, causing it to undergo plastic deformation and achieve the desired clamping force.
4. Importance of Following Manufacturer’s Specifications
   • It is vital to follow the manufacturer’s specifications for torque values and angles when installing torque to yield bolts. This ensures that the bolts are tightened correctly and achieve the desired clamping force without risking over-tightening or bolt failure.

In summary, torque to yield bolts work by undergoing plastic deformation when tightened to their yield point, providing a uniform and precise clamping force across the entire assembly.

The torque angle method is used to tighten these bolts accurately, ensuring optimal performance and reliability in various high-stress and high-pressure applications.

Applications of Torque to Yield Bolts
The unique properties and advantages of torque to yield bolts make them ideal for use in various high-stress and high-pressure applications. Their ability to provide a precise and consistent clamping force ensures the reliability and longevity of critical components.

Some of the most common applications of torque to yield bolts include:

1. Automotive Industry
   • Cylinder Heads: Torque to yield bolts are widely used in engine cylinder head applications. Their uniform clamping force ensures a proper seal between the head and the engine block, preventing coolant or oil leaks and maintaining optimal combustion chamber pressure.
   • Connecting Rods: Torque to yield bolts are often utilized in connecting rod applications, where consistent clamping force is critical for maintaining the structural integrity of the rods under high-stress conditions. Their use can help prevent rod failure, ensuring the proper functioning of the engine.
   • Suspension Components: In some cases, torque to yield bolts are employed in suspension components for vehicles, where they help maintain a consistent clamping force under varying loads, contributing to the durability and performance of the suspension system.
2. Industrial Machinery
   • High-Pressure Equipment: Torque to yield bolts are used in various high-pressure equipment, such as pressure vessels, boilers, and piping systems. Their ability to provide a consistent clamping force and adapt to load variations makes them ideal for maintaining the integrity of these critical components.
   • Heavy-Duty Applications: Heavy-duty machinery and equipment, such as construction vehicles, cranes, and large pumps, often require torque to yield bolts to ensure the reliability and longevity of their components. The improved clamping force and load distribution provided by torque to yield bolts help reduce the risk of component failure in these demanding applications.

These applications showcase the versatility and importance of torque to yield bolts in maintaining the integrity and performance of critical components. Proper installation and maintenance of torque to yield bolts are essential to ensure their optimal functioning and to prevent potential damage or failure.

Torque to Yield Bolt Installation and Removal
Proper installation and removal techniques are crucial for torque to yield bolts to ensure their optimal performance and prevent potential damage.

By following the guidelines below, you can help maintain the integrity and reliability of these specialized fasteners.

1. Proper Techniques for Installation
   • Lubrication: Applying the appropriate lubricant to the threads and under the bolt head is essential for accurate torque readings and reducing friction during tightening. Always follow the manufacturer’s recommendations for lubricant type and application.
   • Thread Cleaning: Before installing a torque to yield bolt, ensure that the threads on both the bolt and the mating component are clean and free of debris, corrosion, or damage. Dirty or damaged threads can interfere with proper tightening and affect the clamping force.
   • Using a Torque Wrench and Torque Angle Gauge: To achieve the correct clamping force, use a calibrated torque wrench to tighten the bolt to the specified torque value. Then, using a torque angle gauge or a torque wrench with angle measurement capabilities, rotate the bolt to the specified angle, ensuring it reaches its yield point and achieves the desired clamping force.
2. Removal and Inspection
   • Signs of Bolt Fatigue or Damage: When removing torque to yield bolts, inspect them carefully for signs of fatigue, stretching, or damage. Look for thread deformation, necking (narrowing) of the shank, or any visible cracks. If any of these signs are present, the bolt must be replaced.
   • Guidelines for Reuse or Replacement: In general, torque to yield bolts are considered non-reusable due to their plastic deformation during installation. However, some manufacturers may provide specific guidelines for bolt reuse based on the application or bolt type. Always consult the manufacturer’s recommendations and exercise caution when considering the reuse of torque to yield bolts.

Following proper installation and removal techniques for torque to yield bolts is crucial for maintaining their performance and preventing damage to the fasteners or the components they secure.

Always adhere to manufacturer guidelines and seek professional assistance if you are unsure about any aspect of torque to yield bolt installation or removal.

Common Torque to Yield Bolt Problems and Solutions
While torque to yield bolts offer numerous advantages, they can also encounter problems if not installed or maintained correctly. By identifying and addressing these common issues, you can help ensure the reliability and longevity of torque to yield bolts and the components they secure.

1. Over-tightening and Bolt Failure
   • Problem: Over-tightening a torque to yield bolt can lead to bolt failure or damage to the components being fastened. This can occur when the bolt is tightened beyond its specified torque value and angle, causing excessive stress and potential breakage.
   • Solution: Always follow the manufacturer’s guidelines for torque values and angles when installing torque to yield bolts. Use a calibrated torque wrench and torque angle gauge to ensure accurate tightening and avoid over-tightening.
2. Incorrect Torque Specifications
   • Problem: Using incorrect torque specifications can result in inadequate clamping force, component damage, or bolt failure. This can occur when relying on generic torque values or using specifications intended for standard bolts rather than torque to yield bolts.
   • Solution: Consult the manufacturer’s recommendations for the specific torque values and angles required for the torque to yield bolts you are using. This information can typically be found in service manuals, technical bulletins, or through direct consultation with the manufacturer.
3. Inaccurate Torque Wrench Calibration
   • Problem: An improperly calibrated torque wrench can lead to inaccurate torque readings and tightening, potentially causing over-tightening or under-tightening of the torque to yield bolt. This can result in insufficient clamping force, bolt failure, or component damage.
   • Solution: Regularly calibrate your torque wrench to ensure accurate torque readings. Follow the manufacturer’s guidelines for calibration intervals and procedures, and consider using a torque wrench with angle measurement capabilities for added accuracy.
4. Dirty or Damaged Threads
   • Problem: Dirty or damaged threads on the bolt or mating component can interfere with proper tightening and affect the clamping force. This can result in uneven load distribution, component damage, or bolt failure.
   • Solution: Before installing torque to yield bolts, ensure that the threads on both the bolt and the mating component are clean and free of debris, corrosion, or damage. Use a thread cleaning tool or brush to remove any contaminants and inspect the threads for damage before installation.

By addressing these common torque to yield bolt problems and following proper installation and maintenance procedures, you can help ensure optimal performance and reliability in various high-stress and high-pressure applications.

Always consult the manufacturer’s guidelines and seek professional assistance if you encounter any issues or have concerns about the use of torque to yield bolts.

Conclusion
Torque to yield bolts are specialized fasteners designed to provide a consistent and precise clamping force in high-stress and high-pressure applications.

Their unique material properties and tightening method set them apart from standard bolts, offering several advantages such as improved clamping force, better load distribution, and enhanced gasket sealing. Common applications for torque to yield bolts include automotive engines, industrial machinery, and heavy-duty equipment.

To ensure the optimal performance and reliability of torque to yield bolts, it is crucial to follow proper installation and maintenance procedures, adhere to manufacturer guidelines, and address any potential issues promptly.

By doing so, you can capitalize on the benefits of these specialized fasteners and maintain the integrity and longevity of the components they secure.


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[RickLightning]

Seems the Rhino guy isn't knowledgeable enough to do your truck...

 

[K6CCC]

3. Does anyone know what purpose those front plugs serve as all I see behind the one is the wall of the cab in front? I suppose it could be an entry point if I wanted to run something electric back to the bed such as a Ham radio antenna?

Your last statement is one of the things that will run through one of those plugs - several antenna cables (in flex conduit). The other plug will be used for a conduit with fairly large gauge wire for the aux battery system. i will have two batteries in the bed and the chargers and radios that are being powered will mostly be under the rear seat.

 

[Maquis]

Correct. The seam between the front wall and floor will provide adequate drainage. The natural rake of the truck means water will flow towards the front.

 

[bc1]

Correct. The seam between the front wall and floor will provide adequate drainage. The natural rake of the truck means water will flow towards the front.

OK. Thanks. I just assumed that the rhino lining would fill that all in and make it water tite.

 

[Maquis]

OK. Thanks. I just assumed that the rhino lining would fill that all in and make it water tite.

I can’t say for sure about Rhino, but Line-X and Ford factory do not.

I actually wish it did seal to keep out dust and dirt. I have a bed cover and drive on unsaved roads. It gets filthy back there. I’m considering caulking it shut.

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