Trying to use my ford station pro to charge a cycbertruck

[Jackieson13]

I have the ccs1 to naca connected. The cyber truck starts charging then stops. Continues to repeat on off. Ford station pro clicks when charging stops. Any suggestions please.

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[davehu]

My guess: the CCS to NAS adaptor is for DC fast chargers, not AC charging from the FCSP. On the CCS plug/connector the two plugs at the bottom are for DC only. the three above are for AC (level 1/2) charging Its possible that the three above are passive not doing anything... just my guess. I'm sure others will verify.

 

[Heliian]

My guess: the CCS to NAS adaptor is for DC fast chargers, not AC charging from the FCSP. On the CCS plug/connector the two plugs at the bottom are for DC only. the three above are for AC (level 1/2) charging Its possible that the three above are passive not doing anything... just my guess. I'm sure others will verify.

Yes, you are correct. The j3400 uses 2 pins for both ac and DC whereas the ccs type plug contains seperate pins for ac and DC, the ac pins are part of the j1772 standard.

The adapters are either for dcfc or level 2 AC.

 

[Revenge]

Correct me if I am wrong on this. The Ford Charge Station Pro uses bot the AC (charging vehicle) and DC (sending power back to the home) pins correct? A CCS to NACS would be trying to pull charging power from the DC pins and thus fail. It is possible to use a J1772 to NACS adapter just on the top part of the CCS?

 

[bmwhitetx]

While there are many adapters for J1772 to NACS (AC level 2), I am not aware of any adapter that goes from CCS1 to NACS for Level 2. As mentioned, they are all for DCFC.

I believe folks have gotten a J1772 to NACS adapter to fit into the FCSP plug by removing bits of plastic from the J1772 end of the adapter.

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...ion-pro-charge-non-ford-evs.13157/post-278414,
and this post on Reddit are examples of discussions.

Same deal if you want to use the FCSP to charge a PHEV that only has a J1772 port. Not gonna happen without a Dremel tool.

 

[Pioneer74]

Correct me if I am wrong on this. The Ford Charge Station Pro uses bot the AC (charging vehicle) and DC (sending power back to the home) pins correct? A CCS to NACS would be trying to pull charging power from the DC pins and thus fail. It is possible to use a J1772 to NACS adapter just on the top part of the CCS?

J1772 adaptor won't fit on the CCS style connector on the FCSP without modifications.

 

[Danface]

Are the DC pins "bi-directional" if you have the Sunrun setup? So can the truck consume power from a DC battery feed by the solar panels OR directly from the solar panels and also provide DC back to the Sunrun battery or inverter to run the house?

 

[bmwhitetx]

Are the DC pins "bi-directional" if you have the Sunrun setup? So can the truck consume power from a DC battery feed by the solar panels OR directly from the solar panels and also provide DC back to the Sunrun battery or inverter to run the house?

No, not bi-directional. But according to this post the HIS can charge the truck off solar but it uses a DC-AC inverter and thus the onboard AC charger.

See #3 here:
https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...gration-system-self-install.11022/post-226149

 

[Danface]

No, not bi-directional. But according to this post the HIS can charge the truck off solar but it uses a DC-AC inverter and thus the onboard AC charger.

See #3 here:
https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...gration-system-self-install.11022/post-226149

Thank you for the link! I did find this:

CORRECTED 7/2: Besides supplying 240AC to the Lightnings built-in dual chargers (ER) the Siemens/Ford designed FCSP is actually bi-directional and will take the direct DC power out of the CCS connector and will feed it directly to the Home Integration system where it can be used for house backup after 400V DC to 240V AC inversion.

It would make sense to use the built in battery to feed back thru an inverter to the house, more "umph" then just the 7.2KWh from Pro Power and owners wouldn't need to purchase Pro-Power to use the system

 

[bmwhitetx]

Thank you for the link! I did find this:

CORRECTED 7/2: Besides supplying 240AC to the Lightnings built-in dual chargers (ER) the Siemens/Ford designed FCSP is actually bi-directional and will take the direct DC power out of the CCS connector and will feed it directly to the Home Integration system where it can be used for house backup after 400V DC to 240V AC inversion.

It would make sense to use the built in battery to feed back thru an inverter to the house, more "umph" then just the 7.2KWh from Pro Power and owners wouldn't need to purchase Pro-Power to use the system

The bi-directional reference refers to the fact that the FCSP can take AC from your house and feed it to the truck to charge the battery (the main purpose of an EVSE) and also take DC from the truck and send it to the HIS (which has a larger inverter than ProPower) to power your house.

The same wires aren't bi-directional. FCSP can send AC to the truck and (with the HIS) take DC out. Over separate wires.

 

[Danface]

The bi-directional reference refers to the fact that the FCSP can take AC from your house and feed it to the truck to charge the battery (the main purpose of an EVSE) and also take DC from the truck and send it to the HIS (which has a larger inverter than ProPower) to power your house.

The same wires aren't bi-directional. FCSP can send AC to the truck and (with the HIS) take DC out. Over separate wires.

Ah, got it! I assumed that the DC could be used "Truck to House" for powering the house thru an inverter as a backup and also DC "House to Truck" for charging the truck via Solar panels and/or solar battery backup. No one asked me to do the design though ... LOL Thank you!!

 

[chl]

Ah, got it! I assumed that the DC could be used "Truck to House" for powering the house thru an inverter as a backup and also DC "House to Truck" for charging the truck via Solar panels and/or solar battery backup. No one asked me to do the design though ... LOL Thank you!!

That would be a nice modification to the FCSP to make it work as a home DC fast charger.

But actually there is one now for what it is worth:

https://www.dcbel.energy/blog/2023/...ger-first-to-achieve-certification-in-the-us/

"...Along with bidirectional EV charging, dcbel’s premium product performs solar energy conversion and fully integrates with home battery storage, replacing the equivalent of over $12,000 in equipment. To synchronize power conversion securely and efficiently across all these energy assets and anticipate a home’s future energy requirements, dcbel Home Energy Stations run an all-in-one operating system called Orchestrate OS. Using proprietary apps, the system automatically plans whether to use, store or sell energy every five minutes...."

PS: Also there WAS a ChargePoint 24kW ($12,000 plus you may need a special utility hook-up): https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-express-100-cpe100/

Now: https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/delta-dc-wallbox/

 

[Danface]

That would be a nice modification to the FCSP to make it work as a home DC fast charger.

But actually there is one now for what it is worth:

https://www.dcbel.energy/blog/2023/...ger-first-to-achieve-certification-in-the-us/

"...Along with bidirectional EV charging, dcbel’s premium product performs solar energy conversion and fully integrates with home battery storage, replacing the equivalent of over $12,000 in equipment. To synchronize power conversion securely and efficiently across all these energy assets and anticipate a home’s future energy requirements, dcbel Home Energy Stations run an all-in-one operating system called Orchestrate OS. Using proprietary apps, the system automatically plans whether to use, store or sell energy every five minutes...."

PS: Also there WAS a ChargePoint 24kW ($12,000 plus you may need a special utility hook-up): https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-express-100-cpe100/

Now: https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/delta-dc-wallbox/

Very nice! Vehicle to Grid (V2G) is now possible. In Massachusetts they pay $275/kWh if they draw from a solar battery.

https://www.masssave.com/residential/rebates-and-incentives/battery-storage-and-evs/batteries

I'd imagine something similar for V2G

Thanks for the info, really interesting

 

[bmwhitetx]

Very nice! Vehicle to Grid (V2G) is now possible. In Massachusetts they pay $275/kWh if they draw from a solar battery.

https://www.masssave.com/residential/rebates-and-incentives/battery-storage-and-evs/batteries

I'd imagine something similar for V2G

Thanks for the info, really interesting

Um it's $275 per kW. Not kWh. Big difference!! Looks like paid once per summer based on average kW.

 

[Danface]

Um it's $275 per kW. Not kWh. Big difference!! Looks like paid once per summer based on average kW.

It would way cool if that could be pulled from the truck. It's being done for school buses

https://www.renewableenergyworld.co...eak-demand-in-first-v2g-program-for-district/

Having a stable access point for "regular" EV cars and trucks will definitely help the migration to V2G. Funny, I could charge the truck for $.18 and sell it for $275, can't do that at a bank! Of course it's cycling the battery so there's also that "cost".

We're still in the "wild west" of EV's, it will be interesting to see how it progresses and I just hope we haven't bought "betamax". I'm not too worried though, Ford is too big to not be a player in however it all shakes out.

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