Who would be stupid enough to buy after ford cancelin the lightning

[Landscaper]

Anyone concerned about repairs in next few years should simply consider the extended warranty for added peace of mind.

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[Lightning Rod]

The lightning and Mach E share the same motors.. MANY of THe same Modules through out and I believe the same individual Battery modules, not sure on that one.. I know they have a LFP option for Mach E. The Mach E is staying in production.

This is good news and I'm starting to feel a little better about this rug pull that ford has performed on us Lightning owners. Thanks.

 

[Lightning Rod]

Anyone concerned about repairs in next few years should simply consider the extended warranty for added peace of mind.

I bought an 8 year extended warranty a couple months ago. We'll see how that works out.

 

[Jamchampnate]

This is good news and I'm starting to feel a little better about this rug pull that ford has performed on us Lightning owners. Thanks.

I’m pretty certain the battery modules are not the same. But yea, much of the other stuff is. Then a ton of the other stuff (body panels, trim) will be same as current gen f150 ICE models.

Considering the battery is actually looking better long term in the lightning than just about every other EV out there, this could actually work out pretty well for those us who want to have this vehicle for another 10+ years (including me).

Oh, and this is why CarPlay is such a big deal. We have it. And as iPhones improve, so will our infotainment. Same with android auto. Huge win there I haven’t seen mentioned by anyone yet.

 

[FastMover]

Didn't RAM delay the release of their 1500 REV?
I personally don't understand what sense it make to revert back to purchasing gas and the maintenance of a ICE. Especially for a vehicle that dosen't use it for propulsion. I don't miss going to the gas station, buying air filters, and changing oil.

 

[Landscaper]

I bought an 8 year extended warranty a couple months ago. We'll see how that works out.

You can sleep well

 

[Jamchampnate]

legit question- would now be a good time to get the Granger extended warranty or just not worth it?

 

[Landscaper]

legit question- would now be a good time to get the Granger extended warranty or just not worth it?

If it makes you sleep better, it’s money well spent. And PS many dealers will match Granger pricing from my experience

 

[Jamchampnate]

If it makes you sleep better, it’s money well spent. And PS many dealers will match Granger pricing from my experience

Well there is no need to have them match pricing right? The warranty is just the ford warranty and all dealerships have to honor it. I’d rather just buy it directly and easily on their site with no hassle.

I’m more concerned they may find ways to not honor it the same way others are concerned about the standard warranty not being honored?

 

[Landscaper]

Well there is no need to have them match pricing right? The warranty is just the ford warranty and all dealerships have to honor it. I’d rather just buy it directly and easily on their site with no hassle.

I’m more concerned they may find ways to not honor it the same way others are concerned about the standard warranty not being honored?

It has a pretty big markup and dealers do have latitude to charge what they want, but it’s still the same policy from Ford at the end of the day.

 

[Jamchampnate]

It has a pretty big markup and dealers do have latitude to charge what they want, but it’s still the same policy from Ford at the end of the day.

Sorry, what I meant to say is there’s not really any point of getting this warranty from the dealership when you can just get it online from them for the best price.

 

[Landscaper]

Sorry, what I meant to say is there’s not really any point of getting this warranty from the dealership when you can just get it online from them for the best price.

Probably not. Online is easier for sure.

 

[Newton]

It is not that big of a deal, I tend to keep my cars forever (the ones that I like). My T-100 has been an orphan for 30 years and my Mercedes R diesel was produced for less time than the Lightning. I never had problems getting service or recall work done.

In recent years it seems that old ICE vehicles are getting harder to get serviced as the technicians who can actually diagnose problems and/or turn a wrench are getting rare. Modern techs want to scan with a computer, order the part, and plug it in. This is where EVs have a huge advantage, your choices are "new battery", "new motor", or "new module" which fits well with the modern era. Even the one shop around here that seems to do old cars has a sign out saying "we don't do head gaskets". Both my Mercedes and my Lexus leak (leaked) oil and the advice was to get a drip pan.

My new Sony TV died and Sony sent out a TV repairman, which felt really archaic. He couldn't fix it so they sent me a new one. That is the future of cars.

 

[Jamchampnate]

It is not that big of a deal, I tend to keep my cars forever (the ones that I like). My T-100 has been an orphan for 30 years and my Mercedes R diesel was produced for less time than the Lightning. I never had problems getting service or recall work done.

In recent years it seems that old ICE vehicles are getting harder to get serviced as the technicians who can actually diagnose problems and/or turn a wrench are getting rare. Modern techs want to scan with a computer, order the part, and plug it in. This is where EVs have a huge advantage, your choices are "new battery", "new motor", or "new module" which fits well with the modern era. Even the one shop around here that seems to do old cars has a sign out saying "we don't do head gaskets". Both my Mercedes and my Lexus leak (leaked) oil and the advice was to get a drip pan.

My new Sony TV died and Sony sent out a TV repairman, which felt really archaic. He couldn't fix it so they sent me a new one. That is the future of cars.

Excellent and helpful perspective. Thank you for sharing this.

 

[Baja Lightning]

The issue here is the very small volume of vehicles produced. 100k units sounds like a lot until you realize that this is across 44 months (or ~2,300/month). Compared to the ICE version of the F150 producing over 30k per month or Tesla Model Y production of over 85k/month, the F-150 Lightnings are unicorns in the vehicle world.

The common parts between the ICE F-150 and the EV will likely be available until the sun burns out, however the EV specific components are the problem. My key concern is with the EV powertrain, specifically the battery packs, onboard chargers, and motor assemblies. These are out of production now and once backstock is gone, they will never return to production by Ford and 2nd tier OEMs will never invest in tooling up to support them. The likelihood that the architecture used in the Lightning will be reused in future generations of their EVs is very low. We have experienced Ford's 1.0 EV vision and the next version will likely be completely different.

Time will be the enemy. If you have a battery failure in the next year or two, there will likely be a new, old-stock pack or individual modules readily available to get you back on the road. If you took delivery of a '25 recently and have a failure near the end of the 8-year warranty period, you are likely to be SOL. The same will be true for the onboard chargers and motors.

Then the software issue: Think the software ecosystem and the lack up updates to correct existing defects for the F150s stinks now, well it's about to get a WHOLE lot worse. These vehicles are computers that you happen to be able to drive. They are 100% dependent on the software to operate and we already know that there are stories about bricked Lightnings that have their root issue based in a software fault. Tesla and other successful EV manufacturers are continually updating the software and not for window-dressing reasons. Sure, I just got my Holiday Update on my Tesla and now I can perform a light and music show, but that's only the window dressing. The real updates are making changes to the charging/maintenance profiles to extend battery life and acceleration profiles that extend the longevity of the motors and gearboxes. These changes behind the scenes make all the difference between the car lasting 150k miles vs 300k miles.

Sure, there will be opportunities to get parts from wrecked vehicles to keep your truck on the road and there will be a shop somewhere that will find profit in component-level repair of your battery packs, but that will be outside of the warranty, out of your own pocket, and it will not be cheap.

RIP F-150 Lightning, I knew ye!

So,
What batteries will Ford then use in the new hybrid truck? Surely they will use the same…..not?

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