Blue Oval charges vs Tesla charge via app

[Tony Burgh]

I leave plug n charge active but start the Tesla app while I wrestle with the adapter and short Tesla cord. iirc, I select the post number then plug in. It bypasses p n c and I get a cc charge from Tesla.

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[PrimeRisk]

From those numbers charging in the Tesla app was the marked $.59 per kwh. Running the math and $32 for the 50kw charge would be $.65 per kwh, not unreasonable.

Don't forget that they charge tax on the charging. The Tesla session is only showing the cost of the power at $.59 and if you add tax, depending on the location, $.65/kWh loaded is just about spot on.

 

[Mashedtators]

I leave plug n charge active but start the Tesla app while I wrestle with the adapter and short Tesla cord. iirc, I select the post number then plug in. It bypasses p n c and I get a cc charge from Tesla.

This is exactly what I do. I just did a roughly 1000 mile trip and used Tesla exclusively. Paid the 12.99 for the month but made
it up in the discounted rate at the charger.

 

[VTHokies]

Don't forget that they charge tax on the charging. The Tesla session is only showing the cost of the power at $.59 and if you add tax, depending on the location, $.65/kWh loaded is just about spot on.

at least in Texas, the rate is inclusive of tax.

 

[VTHokies]

Could’ve been a possibility that you still had some free charging left from Ford when you charged at the Tesla station and they only billed you for what was outside of the free charging balance

What free charging? The only free charging we had was 250kwh for EA while activating through Ford... he charged through the Tesla app.

 

[NeonBelly]

Thanks everyone for replies. It’s still weird to me. Only had the one charge to my credit card for taking in 16 kWh. I definitely charged more closely to what the ford app says. Maybe Tesla had a glitch or they are signing me up for the member discount and I don’t see it yet. I don’t know. Either way, definitely learned some stuff from the replies and much appreciated

 

[NCevGuyF150]

What free charging? The only free charging we had was 250kwh for EA while activating through Ford... he charged through the Tesla app.

When I took my first road trip I charged at Electrify America. I had exhausted my 250 kW while on the trip and the balance of that Invoice was charged to my Creditcard Through FordPass.

 

[NeonBelly]

Could’ve been a possibility that you still had some free charging left from Ford when you charged at the Tesla station and they only billed you for what was outside of the free charging balance

I didn’t get any free credits from Tesla only EA. In the Tahoe area, I couldn’t find any EA chargers that didn’t have 10 people waiting in line. And the location was kind of crap, right in front of a busy store. The Teslas were much better located

 

[NCevGuyF150]

I didn’t get any free credits from Tesla only EA. In the Tahoe area, I couldn’t find any EA chargers that didn’t have 10 people waiting in line. And the location was kind of crap, right in front of a busy store. The Teslas were much better located

I agree with you, wholeheartedly on Tesla’s stations being set up in better and more accessible areas

 

[Ricks Lightning]

Could’ve been a possibility that you still had some free charging left from Ford when you charged at the Tesla station and they only billed you for what was outside of the free charging balance

I haven't charged at Tesla yet as I'm still waiting on my free adapter. Plus I have level 2 at home. There is a huge Tesla charge station 1 mile from the house that literally has an entire roof top parking structure exclusively for Tesla super chargers. 44 / 250kwh chargers. .31 from 4-8am. .57 from 8am to 12am . .34 from 12am to 4am.
plenty of Tesla chargers in my daily travels.

Rick

 

[PrimeRisk]

No tax on that. The numbers were cost divided by kwh.

That's what I'm getting at. If the Supercharger was billing $0.59/kWh pre-tax, once you add tax it would give you a higher effective cost per kWh.

This invoice from charging in Iowa came in with a whopping 16% tax (even though it claims only 9.6%). I was charged $0.31/kWh for the energy, but the effective rate was $0.36/kWh.

 

[TaxmanHog]

That's what I'm getting at. If the Supercharger was billing $0.59/kWh pre-tax, once you add tax it would give you a higher effective cost per kWh.

This invoice from charging in Iowa came in with a whopping 16% tax (even though it claims only 9.6%). I was charged $0.31/kWh for the energy, but the effective rate was $0.36/kWh.

Interesting, there may be multiple taxes, state sales, county or city, if so I would expect the composite value to be stated.

My Tesla app based charging test last April at a brand new station shows accurate Mass sales tax only.

 

[PrimeRisk]

Interesting, there may be multiple taxes, state sales, county or city, if so I would expect the composite value to be stated.

My Tesla app based charging test last April at a brand new station shows accurate Mass sales tax only.

Yeah, it looks to be a an Iowa thing. All of my other receipts represent the correct tax percentage.

 

[PrimeRisk]

Below is the type of charging session that frustrates the heck out of me with Tesla. What did I pay per kWh? No one will tell you as they are charging by time and not measuring the power delivered. I hate this type of obfuscation. By law, they have to tell you how much gasoline or diesel is per gallon including all taxes and fees. The pumps also have to be certified by a state's Weights and Measures department. There are stiff penalties for errors and out of spec pumps.

Unfortunately charging is the wild, wild west for now. They can obfuscate what you are actually paying through charging by time (and I'm not referencing idle fees here), kWh, or both for time and kWh. I'm really not for a lot of regulation, but this is a case where I believe it is needed. Making matters worse, you cannot see what the charging rates are at superchargers are online, only in the car. Nor does Tesla disclose the tax rates before you charge. I'm used to any range between 4-8%, but Iowa blew my socks off at 16%. Of course, this is after you've paid for the session.

I stumbled across a destination charger at a motel in a small town in Wyoming where you had to read the charges on a single line of scrolling text. They were charging $0.25/minute plus $0.50/kWh on a 40A charger. I would have needed about 4 hours on the charger for 40kWh and the charges would have been $80 for the session or $2/kWh. No. Thank. You. I wonder how many people plugged in and just swiped their card only to find out later what they they were actually charged?

 

[PrimeRisk]

Minor point but that Tesla picture is the final charges, including tax.



Edit: invoice

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This is what I'm getting at. Tesla told you that the price was $0.44/kWh for $28.95, but the total price including taxes was $30.98 which back works to $0.47/kWh. This also explains why people will see a rate and consumption, then see a higher charge in the BlueOval or Telsa App charging summary. It's the taxes being added.

TL;DR: There's nothing nefarious going on between Tesla and Ford.

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