Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[Cvh8601]

I also believe that if Ford can't make money selling the Lightning because they are too expensive, there is no way that they can add an engine and make it any cheaper. Batteries are not expensive enough any more where the battery size savings make up for the cost of the engine. Additionally, the Ramcharger uses a battery as large as the SR Lightning.

This is the part that doesn’t make sense. EREV, from Ford or Scout or anyone, seems like a low-volume model for people who do serious towing and are willing to put up with the downsides of ICE to do it.

Ford claims they couldn’t produce lightning cheaply enough. How can they possibly add thousands of parts and make the system far more complicated at a cheaper price? Does not add up.

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[Newton]

Also, don't tell me that this is just like a Diesel Electric locomotive. They don't have batteries, at least until recently. Diesel Electric locomotives and ferries use absolutely enormous diesel generators that are connected to an electric motor, but they supply all of the motive power. It is like they have an electric rather than mechanical transmission.

If I understand it, which I may not, the EREV uses the generator to supplement the power from the batteries. If the generator is running and the electric motors are using less power than the generator supplies, then ideally the batteries will be charged with the excess. Perhaps. It is complicated and depends on the battery SOC. If the motors ask for more than the generator can supply (which I *think* is possible) then the batteries will supplement it. If the batteries are completely dead, well it gets complicated.

 

[Jseis]

Here’s the market 2024. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to equate less costly gas geography with ICE dominance. And BEVs with lest costly power? that’s less clear but for sure where we live.

 

[B177y]

Here’s the market 2024. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to equate less costly gas geography with ICE dominance. And BEVs with lest costly power? that’s less clear but for sure where we live.

Funny that my list of states that I would consider moving to when I finally get to leave WA almost completely match the F150 states. I'm still going to take my Lightning with me though.

 

[NW Ontario Ford Lightning]

CA has 40 million poeple, ND has 800 thousand?
CA has some of the highest cost Electricity, but Tesla is the #1 in sales?
Ford F-series includes the Lightning.

 

[sysop1]

CA has 40 million poeple, ND has 800 thousand?
CA has some of the highest cost Electricity, but Tesla is the #1 in sales?
Ford F-series includes the Lightning.

I don't think paying $0.11/kW is that high for being in SoCal.

 

[MDErnst]

CA has some of the highest cost Electricity, but Tesla is the #1 in sales?

CA probably has the highest priced gasoline / diesel as well.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Here’s the market 2024. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to equate less costly gas geography with ICE dominance. And BEVs with lest costly power? that’s less clear but for sure where we live.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to loosely connect geography and political leanings either.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Questions for @Ford Motor Company

• What is the estimated EV only range?
• What is the estimated towing capacity / targets? (This is important as Scout announced lower towering capacity for their gas extender version than their BEV version)
• Will there still Be a frunk or will the engine take its place? If there is a frunk, is it anticipated to be a similar size (please say yes)
• Any cost estimates (Keep at current BEV pricing, due to advanced battery tech, insourcing and/or pack size, etc)
• What is the expected behavior when towing long distances, can you keep filling up and keep driving, or do you have to stop and charge, just after longer intervals because the generator can’t keep up with that level of energy depletion?
• Is 10 years support from model year, or announcement date?
• What battery architecture are you targeting (sounds like LFP)?
• What charging architecture are you targeting, 400v, 800v, etc?
• What changes will there be to Pro Power Onboard? Will there still be 2 separate inverters or will you have 1 inverter that can offboard 9.7 or higher kWh?
• Will these be an EREV specific design, or will it similarly be based on a shared F-150 ICE platform?

Thanks in advance for any answers you can provide and thanks for taking the time to address the forum!

I won't be able to answer these (yet). But I'm saving them in an "EREV" document now so I can come back to them when I can.

 

[SomeStupidDriver]

While I can appreciate Fords need adapt to the realities of the market, I still think the decision to kill the lightning is backwards & disappointing. This could make it difficult to trust in Fords ability to stand by their next EV and gives other companies who are more loyal to their models a chance to be more established.

This is it for me. This is my first Ford and the best truck ive owned and we loved it so much it pushed my wife into getting a Mach E. They'd likely have had Ford family for life, but now it will be the last Fords we own, not going to allow another rug pull despite how happy I am with the vehicle.

 

[tbkahuna]

Should all us Ford 150 Lightning owners get together and start a class action suit? We bought these vehicles because we were promised this wouldn't happen and that the resale value of our vehicles would be within the normal curve. Will Ford buy back our vehicles at what would have been the the normal prorated value if they hadn't dicountinued the technology?

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Should all us Ford 150 Lightning owners get together and start a class action suit? We bought these vehicles because we were promised this wouldn't happen and that the resale value of our vehicles would be within the normal curve. Will Ford buy back our vehicles at what would have been the the normal prorated value if they hadn't dicountinued the technology?

No

 

[3rdgenfan]

Ford owes us nothing, we gave them our money for a product and they just said "ope....we'll just sweep this one under the rug"

Until they decide to pull the plug on the Mach-E and eventually can the "UEV" platform, they'll still try to pump stuff out. We did moan on this same forum about the high cost of entry before they were having incentives thrown at them left and right, so we did it to ourselves.

Unfortunately the early reviews of social media personalities purposely setting towing tests up for failure and certain articles being made with clickbait titles to grab attention of the naysayers seems to have done it's job. Seems like it's only the Lightning being called junk, while I've not seen the same disdain for Rivian's or the GM offerings.

 

[shutterbug]

This is it for me. This is my first Ford and the best truck ive owned and we loved it so much it pushed my wife into getting a Mach E. They'd likely have had Ford family for life, but now it will be the last Fords we own, not going to allow another rug pull despite how happy I am with the vehicle.

Using this logic, you wouldn't buy any vehicle from any manufacturer ever, since they all discontinued models at one time or another For example since VW is pulling the plug on ID Buzz, you must forgo buying any VW, Porsche, Slate, Bentley.

 

[Firn]

Should all us Ford 150 Lightning owners get together and start a class action suit? We bought these vehicles because we were promised this wouldn't happen and that the resale value of our vehicles would be within the normal curve. Will Ford buy back our vehicles at what would have been the the normal prorated value if they hadn't dicountinued the technology?

Bwahaha. Thats funny

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