Anti theft - ramble - discussion / suggestions?

[chl]

1, yes
2, probably
3, dependent on the objective of the thief
4, haven't seen one in forever
5, sure, but then the truck wouldn't respond
6, faraday cage
7, theoretically possible with a flipper zero

3. Well all the parts are worth stealing, seems to happen a lot in some areas, esp. rear/tail lights and even tailgates.
5. The FOB signals are already encrypted...however...they still have...

Common vulnerabilities

• Replay attacks: Thieves can record the signal from a single use and "replay" it to the car later to gain access.
• Relay attacks: A more sophisticated method where a thief uses a device to capture the signal from the fob, even if it is in the owner's pocket, and another device near the car to "relay" the signal, tricking the car into thinking the fob is right next to it.
• Weak encryption: Some older or less sophisticated systems may have encryption that can be broken with enough effort or specific tools

6. An inexpensive solution is aluminum foil folded into a pouch to put the FOB in - yes works just as well as a fancy dancy pricey commercial Faraday cage...

I use it in all my hats to keep the brain police from reading my mind or giving me a brain tumor! (not really but thought about it, lol)

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[Texdan]

3. Well all the parts are worth stealing, seems to happen a lot in some areas, esp. rear/tail lights and even tailgates.
5. The FOB signals are already encrypted...however...they still have...

Common vulnerabilities

• Replay attacks: Thieves can record the signal from a single use and "replay" it to the car later to gain access.
• Relay attacks: A more sophisticated method where a thief uses a device to capture the signal from the fob, even if it is in the owner's pocket, and another device near the car to "relay" the signal, tricking the car into thinking the fob is right next to it.
• Weak encryption: Some older or less sophisticated systems may have encryption that can be broken with enough effort or specific tools

6. An inexpensive solution is aluminum foil folded into a pouch to put the FOB in - yes works just as well as a fancy dancy pricey commercial Faraday cage...

I use it in all my hats to keep the brain police from reading my mind or giving me a brain tumor! (not really but thought about it, lol)

See also:
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All the responses about shielding the FOB do not address the issue of when the FOB is given to a dealer or repair technician: I get it - we can do a "cage" to prevent theft of the FOB electronics, but that does not address giving the FOB to a repair man - whats the solution for the FOB in anonymous' hands???.

 

[chl]

Trust your dealer?

Valet key for others.

 

[Maquis]

The reset function needs to be password protected! I saw some info indicating that Ford was going to do this on the 2024 or 2025s, but I don’t think it came to fruition - unless it’s on the upper trims and I’m unaware.

That would be helpful, but that still won’t stop them from turning off connectivity.

 

[Texdan]

Trust your dealer?

Valet key for others.

Not a desler issue: this was a glass company replacement company

 

[chl]

Not a desler issue: this was a glass company replacement company

Right.
Sometimes people like that are bonded, although even if, that is no guaranty.

Often, the window glass companies get business and make money because of thieves breaking windows to get in.

Ford now has a stolen vehicle service for ICE F-150 2024 model years and up - haven't heard about it being available for Lightnings though. The F-150 is the most stolen truck in America apparently.

https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/ford-app/ford-app-supported-features/stolen-vehicle-services/

There are still steering wheel locks you could buy:





The FOB aluminum pouch is always a good idea - been doing that myself for many years with all our vehicles that use FOBs.

But really, if your truck is targeted by a determined thief or theft ring, there is probably nothing that would stop them. If they don't drive off with it, they'll steal the tail lights or tailgate in under 60 seconds in broad daylight, unless you have installed one of the protective means available.

I have hard wired home security cameras all around my house, with three of them that would catch any tampering with my truck in the driveway. My neighbor across the street does as well.
I have signs up to warn any potential thief of the cameras and warn them off. No Trespassing signs so if anyone comes on my property I don't want, there can be legal action taken.

Also have motion activated spot lights.

The thefts around our area have mostly been teenagers getting into to unlocked cars and staling things...but one neighbor's vehicle did get taken because the mom left the keys in the car one hectic day and it disappeared overnight.

I heard about someone who used their tow hitch locked and anchored to a steel pole sunk in the ground with concrete. Never got stolen as far as I know.

But there is only so much you can do. It is even worse with motorcycles some places. There was a Harley I heard about, in a locked garage and chained to the floor and it still got stolen somehow.

Good luck.

 

[chriserx]

3. Well all the parts are worth stealing, seems to happen a lot in some areas, esp. rear/tail lights and even tailgates.
5. The FOB signals are already encrypted...however...they still have...

Common vulnerabilities

• Replay attacks: Thieves can record the signal from a single use and "replay" it to the car later to gain access.
• Relay attacks: A more sophisticated method where a thief uses a device to capture the signal from the fob, even if it is in the owner's pocket, and another device near the car to "relay" the signal, tricking the car into thinking the fob is right next to it.
• Weak encryption: Some older or less sophisticated systems may have encryption that can be broken with enough effort or specific tools

6. An inexpensive solution is aluminum foil folded into a pouch to put the FOB in - yes works just as well as a fancy dancy pricey commercial Faraday cage...

I use it in all my hats to keep the brain police from reading my mind or giving me a brain tumor! (not really but thought about it, lol)

See also:

3) Yeah, thats why I said it depends on the objective of the thief, are they shipping it overseas, parting it out, melting it down, out for a joyride, etc?
5) I assumed he meant an additional layer of encryption on the FOB side and exactly why I mentioned the flipper, it nearly trivializes such attacks.
6) An aluminum foil envelope is a highly effective faraday cage

Errata) Ironically enough, a tin foil hat might not protect you from a sufficiently powerful infrared remote control...Think about that

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