BlueOval Charge Network expands Plug & Charge to IONNA and Ford Charge

[K6CCC]

There is also nothing to say that any other vin-specific information is provided to Tesla, or others, when you initiate a charge thru the FORD App, or any other way. In that case, that vendor is sending the charge activation to Tesla.
If you use the Tesla app, yes, you may be providing that full vin IF you have given it to them, which may be a requirement when you create your profile, of course.

I don't have specific information, but I don't believe that is correct. If you plug into a Tesla (or any other Plug and Charge location), all you have to do is plug in and charging will start - no app required in most cases (some do). The vehicle has to tell the charger who you are so that the charger can know who to bill. With your thought that only the manufacturer is sent, then Ford would not know who to bill. The vehicle must identify itself - and the VIN is the logical identification to use.

As I said, some chargers that are Plug and Charge for Fords require activation from an app prior to unlocking the charging cable from the charger, or before starting the charge. That might be the Ford app or the charger network app. My sample size is small as I have used Tesla SuperChargers only three times without a Tesla subscription prior to installing 240V charging at home. I just plugged in and charging started and was billed to the Plug and Charge saved credit card. Since that time any time I charged at Tesla or EA, I had a membership and used their app prior to plugging in. I have also used EVGo once, BP Pulse once, and PowerFlex quite a few times and all used their own app to start (none of those are Plug and Charge).

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[flabrent]

I don't have specific information, but I don't believe that is correct. If you plug into a Tesla (or any other Plug and Charge location), all you have to do is plug in and charging will start - no app required in most cases (some do). The vehicle has to tell the charger who you are so that the charger can know who to bill. With your thought that only the manufacturer is sent, then Ford would not know who to bill. The vehicle must identify itself - and the VIN is the logical identification to use.
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That's how the Tesla chargers worked on my recent trip to Birmingham AL.
I would open the charge door on the truck, grab the adapter from under the back seat, attach the adapter to the Tesla cable, plug into the truck and bingo! No app needed. Shortly after charging my phone would show "Ford Credit $.." charged to my AMEX.

 

[Charge_Rob]

I don't have specific information, but I don't believe that is correct. If you plug into a Tesla (or any other Plug and Charge location), all you have to do is plug in and charging will start - no app required in most cases (some do). The vehicle has to tell the charger who you are so that the charger can know who to bill. With your thought that only the manufacturer is sent, then Ford would not know who to bill. The vehicle must identify itself - and the VIN is the logical identification to use.

As I said, some chargers that are Plug and Charge for Fords require activation from an app prior to unlocking the charging cable from the charger, or before starting the charge. That might be the Ford app or the charger network app. My sample size is small as I have used Tesla SuperChargers only three times without a Tesla subscription prior to installing 240V charging at home. I just plugged in and charging started and was billed to the Plug and Charge saved credit card. Since that time any time I charged at Tesla or EA, I had a membership and used their app prior to plugging in. I have also used EVGo once, BP Pulse once, and PowerFlex quite a few times and all used their own app to start (none of those are Plug and Charge).

Plug & Charge is a LOT more complicated than just sharing a VIN. There's a unique contract certificate installed on your vehicle and a unique ID generated which is shared between the vehicle and the charger, but it's not the VIN, it's the eMAID (e-Mobility Account Identifier) - that lets the charger identify that it's a Ford driver that plugged in, and Ford has provided a trusted certificate that they'll get paid (by Ford) for the charge (and you'll pay Ford) - but not which Ford driver plugged in - they don't know all your information.

EVgo and bp pulse may not be Plug & Charge but they ARE in BlueOval Charge Network - no additional apps required, just use the Ford app to activate.

 

[hturnerfamily]

I don't have specific information, but I don't believe that is correct. If you plug into a Tesla (or any other Plug and Charge location), all you have to do is plug in and charging will start - no app required in most cases (some do). The vehicle has to tell the charger who you are so that the charger can know who to bill. With your thought that only the manufacturer is sent, then Ford would not know who to bill. The vehicle must identify itself - and the VIN is the logical identification to use.
I was not referring to being able to simply plug in and start charging, though, as you are alluding to, but that in order to get the MEMBERSHIP DISCOUNT RATE, you must initiate the charge from THEIR app... plug N Charge will NOT facilitate this, for us, like it might for Tesla owners... and NO, the vehicle does not have to 'identify itself', it just has to show Tesla that it is a vehicle with the correct credentials, such as one within the Ford BlueOval Network. This also does not necessarily pass the VIN # thru the system, but just enough basic info to create the certificate approval. Tesla does not, therefore, know 'who' your are, but only that you are a 'FORD' ev.

As I said, some chargers that are Plug and Charge for Fords require activation from an app prior to unlocking the charging cable from the charger, or before starting the charge. That might be the Ford app or the charger network app. I've never seen in 3 years and many, many different PNC charge locations that you don't simply Plug In and initiate the charge session - that's actually WHY it's call PlugNCharge - there is nothing else required.

My sample size is small as I have used Tesla SuperChargers only three times without a Tesla subscription prior to installing 240V charging at home. I just plugged in and charging started and was billed to the Plug and Charge saved credit card(I think you're meaning that you were charged THRU the FORD BlueOval account to your preferred card with them).
Since that time any time I charged at Tesla or EA, I had a membership and used their app prior to plugging in. (Yes, as this is the ONLY current method to receive the membership RATE, as PNC will not)
I have also used EVGo once, BP Pulse once, and PowerFlex quite a few times and all used their own app to start (none of those are Plug and Charge). Correct, although EVgo is part of the CHARGEPOINT Network, and is also within the BlueOval account, and you can certainly use your FORD App to initiate a charge

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