Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[davehu]

We used to keep vehicles 10+ years. 1998 Explorer was 15 years. As we grew older, period dropped. 7 or 8 years. 3 years....

In my retirement budget that I put together years ago (to ensure we had enough to retire), I budgeted a new vehicle every 3 years. Have to enjoy life.

Bought one in 2021, the 2022 didn't count because we sold the 21 for a profit and bought the 22 for the same cost. Then the Lightning in 2023.

Mach-E is now 3.5 years old, and I would have gotten the Explorer EV (announced in May 2021) right around now. Alas, nothing to buy.

So, will be doing research on options for next summer possibly. Rivian R2seems interesting, but I would wait to see. Kia EV9 was of interest, but seems to have many issues.

Also I note many on this thread miss this part of the announcement: "The first vehicle from the Universal EV Platform will be the fully connected midsize pickup truck assembled at Louisville Assembly Plant starting in 2027." If I have to buy another vehicle it might just be one of these.

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[bballr4567]

That is the reality from the current administration. You are completely forgetting what China is doing and the infrastructure they have in place because the government INVESTED in the tech.

So imagine if we took the AI boom that we are having now and use some of that towards charging infrastructure, better battery structures, back to the American people that would be. Biden invested in the american infrastructure...you know for the american people.

But look at the economy now that people voted for. inflation, higher prices, tarriffs....all in one year. All that winning.

China has estimated anywhere from $250 to 400 billion in just EV manufacturers then another $250 billion in infrastructure. The US is a trillion behind in investment.

The other thing people tend to forget is that eastern China is basically the size of the eastern half of the US and that's where all the charging infrastructure is situated for the most part. The US charging network is going to have far larger.

Another angle is that China can and is building the power plants that they need to power those charging stations as well. That is a huge problem within the US.

 

[davehu]

I understand Ford's decision. I'm just saying I don't like it. But they are a public traded company that needs to make money. I understand that. But at the same time they're putting out an announcement on the lightning forum. Lol like they thought they'd get a lot of backers on that front. @Ford Motor Company doesn't seem to have a clue about its audience in this context.

That said, there's lots of sponsored ads that I'm seeing on this thread for the scout forum and the Rivian forum. LOL

I think many missed this from the press release: "The first vehicle from the Universal EV Platform will be the fully connected midsize pickup truck assembled at Louisville Assembly Plant starting in 2027".

 

[adoublee]

If the truck is propelled only by electric motors it’s an electric vehicle. Same power, torque, etc.

If the gas is only there to charge the battery WHEN NEEDED then I don’t have any issues. Obviously it’ll depend on how they implement the tech but I’m not going to write it off until I see it in action.

Nope. It’s an electrified drivetrain but will still kill you if you operate in your garage.

 

[davehu]

I guess the hope of any meaningful software updates has gone out the window

Maybe note completely as Synch4 and Fordpass, are not unique to the Lightning and Mach-e, t hey are used in every vehicle Ford makes, ICE/BEV/HEV,

 

[VTbuckeye]

You are also forgetting the use case for max towing uphill with a dead battery. To be successful, I think you need to support that without a significant loss in performance. That would put the generators max sustained output closer to 300kw (or 400hp)

That it have been the generator turn on with an extra 10-20 percent battery remaining so that the truck can eat into the buffer while running the generator at maximum output. Sorta like Chevy volt mountain mode. This would allow you to build up the battery soc prior to the long mountain climbs that the generator could not keep up with.

 

[bballr4567]

By full blown do you mean supercharged/turbo charged forced induction? If so, yes it will likely need to be a full blown inline 4/small v6 engine to maintain output once the battery is depleted. If not for ed induction it will be a V8.

No, it's just going to likely be a tuned version of a NA engine that will be optimized to run at certain RPMs depending on called for load for the generator. An ICE motor used for propulsion is far more inefficient than one used for generator use.

Nope. It’s an electrified drivetrain but will still kill you if you operate in your garage.

You truly think an EREV will kill you in the garage running?

 

[PJnc284]

Something to consider, all this is if* the EREV is released. I'm not convinced it's forthcoming. Until there is the YT videos showing it, testing, etc. that companies usually throw out to the online world, it's just vaporware. No if, ands or buts...

Which comes first. Erev lightning or Farley being shown the door? 63 now so probably just trying to buy a couple more years.

 

[Pitbull2o08]

Here is the reality. No matter how much you disagree or are angry, it won't change the facts.

1. EVs cost too much
2. Drivers still have range anxiety. That wont change till range gets higher.
3. Infrastructure severely lacks in certain places in this country and charging prices are too high.
4. If a product needs to be subsidized by the Gov't, it will fail.

EVs wont go away, but they will come back in the 2030s with better tech. This is my 2nd go around with the EV rise and fall. Been doing this over 20 years.

so the oil industry will fail, since it's subsidized by the gov?

Fixed opinions are so hard to keep up with.

 

[roci]

@Ford Motor Company what happens to the STX now? It looked awesome, was announced not that long ago and only from 2026 MY onwards

 

[Quibbs]

Look at the industries you mentioned. Farming, good luck without them. Food chain collapses. HVAC, every fricking building in America has one. Electric trucks?? Who needs then, just the minorities in this group.

There are so many business the government subsidizes.. Some make billions a year...

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-u-s-companies-receive-the-most-government-subsidies/

Boeing, intel, Amazon...some of the largest companies in the country get government money. Like Exxon and such (to help keep gas prices down as they argue). Gas companies turn out some of the largest profits. Bottom line is, corporate tax giveaway is about privatizing profit and subsidizing loss.

One has to keep in mind that EV sales are expected to come back to parity. Every EV maker expected a big increase before the tax credit ended and then a drop with eventual return to better sales.

If one were to take the argument that anything that requires government is a loser, one would be surprised on what would be on that list.

Finally just because some bots, oil companies and low information folks believe climate change is hoax and thus not worth the government involvement to help combat, doesn't mean we all feel that way.

 

[PJnc284]

@Ford Motor Company what happens to the STX now? It looked awesome, was announced not that long ago and only from 2026 MY onwards

DOA

 

[Danface]

There are so many business the government subsidizes.. Some make billions a year...

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-u-s-companies-receive-the-most-government-subsidies/

Boeing, intel, Amazon...some of the largest companies in the country get government money. Like Exxon and such (to help keep gas prices down as they argue). Gas companies turn out some of the largest profits. Bottom line is, corporate tax giveaway is about privatizing profit and subsidizing loss.

One has to keep in mind that EV sales are expected to come back to parity. Every EV maker expected a big increase before the tax credit ended and then a drop with eventual return to better sales.

If one were to take the argument that anything that requires government is a loser, one would be surprised on what would be on that list.

Finally just because some bots, oil companies and low information folks believe climate change is hoax and thus not worth the government involvement to help combat, doesn't mean we all feel that way.

Just think about how much could be "saved" if we just rid of the "Big Bad Government"

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” .. Ronald Regan.

Perfect Example:

Flood Insurance" Is backed by the feds ... let's let those mansion on water wash into the sea!
EPA: Just because the Cuyahoga River caught on fire did mean there was sort of problem
Vaccines: What Polio Outbreak in the 50's. I mean if you can't survive after getting some really bad, easily cureable with a vaccine, disease then maybe you should be here?
Research: Let private sector decide what's important to us, they all have OUR best interest at heart
Money policy: Because it's so hard to understand, let's get rid if it!

 

[Pitbull2o08]

I am not sure what to say other than Mr. Farley appears to be a very weak leader, who has been unable to improve vehicle quality, and who flips flops strategy and execution in response to the slightest shift in the direction of the wind.

Most obvious is how he choreographs his future failures now so he doesn’t have to take accountability later - instead he can point the finger. I have been listening to him for three years now, and he does a brilliant job of preparing everyone for upcoming failure [ “Chinese car companies are better”, “we are being forced to make non-gas cars”]

It was Ford’s decision years ago to stop making affordable cars (EVs were barely on the radar).

It was Ford’s decision to globalize supply chain, and in the case of aluminum, to be practically sole sourced.

It was Ford’s decision to announce a $40k Lightning and then sell only builds at $70k and up for a long time.

He's very good at pointing fingers. Maybe he's rigging his golden parachute for it's inevitable deployment when the board kicks him to the curb.

 

[Shmoe]

Absolutely not.

Riddle me this Batman... why was it exactly the same in the late 1800s and early 1900s, by actual records, before diesel trucks and interstate highways and aerosol cans and all the other things the tree huggers claim is ruining the planet? If we use records, and not assumptions, there is nothing new going on.

Because climate isn't weather.. and a hundred or two hundred years is a tiny data point in the millions of years we're actually talking about.

This attitude is very easy and convenient though.. you'll be long dead by the time anyone has to pay for anything you did.

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