Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[Pitbull2o08]

Here is the reality. No matter how much you disagree or are angry, it won't change the facts.

1. EVs cost too much
2. Drivers still have range anxiety. That wont change till range gets higher.
3. Infrastructure severely lacks in certain places in this country and charging prices are too high.
4. If a product needs to be subsidized by the Gov't, it will fail.

EVs wont go away, but they will come back in the 2030s with better tech. This is my 2nd go around with the EV rise and fall. Been doing this over 20 years.

so the oil industry will fail, since it's subsidized by the gov?

Fixed opinions are so hard to keep up with.

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[roci]

@Ford Motor Company what happens to the STX now? It looked awesome, was announced not that long ago and only from 2026 MY onwards

 

[Quibbs]

Look at the industries you mentioned. Farming, good luck without them. Food chain collapses. HVAC, every fricking building in America has one. Electric trucks?? Who needs then, just the minorities in this group.

There are so many business the government subsidizes.. Some make billions a year...

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-u-s-companies-receive-the-most-government-subsidies/

Boeing, intel, Amazon...some of the largest companies in the country get government money. Like Exxon and such (to help keep gas prices down as they argue). Gas companies turn out some of the largest profits. Bottom line is, corporate tax giveaway is about privatizing profit and subsidizing loss.

One has to keep in mind that EV sales are expected to come back to parity. Every EV maker expected a big increase before the tax credit ended and then a drop with eventual return to better sales.

If one were to take the argument that anything that requires government is a loser, one would be surprised on what would be on that list.

Finally just because some bots, oil companies and low information folks believe climate change is hoax and thus not worth the government involvement to help combat, doesn't mean we all feel that way.

 

[PJnc284]

@Ford Motor Company what happens to the STX now? It looked awesome, was announced not that long ago and only from 2026 MY onwards

DOA

 

[Danface]

There are so many business the government subsidizes.. Some make billions a year...

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-u-s-companies-receive-the-most-government-subsidies/

Boeing, intel, Amazon...some of the largest companies in the country get government money. Like Exxon and such (to help keep gas prices down as they argue). Gas companies turn out some of the largest profits. Bottom line is, corporate tax giveaway is about privatizing profit and subsidizing loss.

One has to keep in mind that EV sales are expected to come back to parity. Every EV maker expected a big increase before the tax credit ended and then a drop with eventual return to better sales.

If one were to take the argument that anything that requires government is a loser, one would be surprised on what would be on that list.

Finally just because some bots, oil companies and low information folks believe climate change is hoax and thus not worth the government involvement to help combat, doesn't mean we all feel that way.

Just think about how much could be "saved" if we just rid of the "Big Bad Government"

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” .. Ronald Regan.

Perfect Example:

Flood Insurance" Is backed by the feds ... let's let those mansion on water wash into the sea!
EPA: Just because the Cuyahoga River caught on fire did mean there was sort of problem
Vaccines: What Polio Outbreak in the 50's. I mean if you can't survive after getting some really bad, easily cureable with a vaccine, disease then maybe you should be here?
Research: Let private sector decide what's important to us, they all have OUR best interest at heart
Money policy: Because it's so hard to understand, let's get rid if it!

 

[Pitbull2o08]

I am not sure what to say other than Mr. Farley appears to be a very weak leader, who has been unable to improve vehicle quality, and who flips flops strategy and execution in response to the slightest shift in the direction of the wind.

Most obvious is how he choreographs his future failures now so he doesn’t have to take accountability later - instead he can point the finger. I have been listening to him for three years now, and he does a brilliant job of preparing everyone for upcoming failure [ “Chinese car companies are better”, “we are being forced to make non-gas cars”]

It was Ford’s decision years ago to stop making affordable cars (EVs were barely on the radar).

It was Ford’s decision to globalize supply chain, and in the case of aluminum, to be practically sole sourced.

It was Ford’s decision to announce a $40k Lightning and then sell only builds at $70k and up for a long time.

He's very good at pointing fingers. Maybe he's rigging his golden parachute for it's inevitable deployment when the board kicks him to the curb.

 

[Shmoe]

Absolutely not.

Riddle me this Batman... why was it exactly the same in the late 1800s and early 1900s, by actual records, before diesel trucks and interstate highways and aerosol cans and all the other things the tree huggers claim is ruining the planet? If we use records, and not assumptions, there is nothing new going on.

Because climate isn't weather.. and a hundred or two hundred years is a tiny data point in the millions of years we're actually talking about.

This attitude is very easy and convenient though.. you'll be long dead by the time anyone has to pay for anything you did.

Timeline of Earth's Temperature

 

[Pitbull2o08]

Im trying to catch up on all the replies only 5 pages in so far... but is anyone else excited for the jailbreak/mods and possible future changes you could theoretically do to these lightnings...
once your out of service and drive it till the end (research over the past year has talked about the minimal battery degradation reports on lithium batteries).
Potential to upgrade the batteries as the tech evolves quickly.
Just trying to be positive. I truly feel this will add value/interest to these trucks over time. They will not just rot away.
Funny to think the original Lightning SVT 1st gen only lasted 3yrs as well

you can do that even without them killing off the model. lol

 

[Warp Asylum]

I think many missed this from the press release: "The first vehicle from the Universal EV Platform will be the fully connected midsize pickup truck assembled at Louisville Assembly Plant starting in 2027".

I didn't miss that at all. I have no interest in a midsize pickup from Ford, never have. I like the F-150 because it's big and the Lariat trim has just enough luxury features for my taste. Historically Ford's midsize trucks are lower end or entry level to keep costs down (even with the top trim packages). Maybe whatever they are cooking up will change that, but at the price points they are talking about, I doubt it.

If I had to buy a midsize and what I expect Ford's offering to be comes to pass, I'd rather buy a Rivian for the luxury/performance or a Cybertruck for the performance and self driving.

That said, you do infer a good point: we all have to evaluate what's available if/when we choose to replace our Lightnings. I like mine enough that I was willing to wait for the T3 to replace it, and at least for now, that is no longer an option.

I don't need any more details to know that I'm not interested in any of Ford's announced alternatives.

 

[Nolander]

Your comment holds no weight, the fact is China is kicking the US butt 9 ways to Sunday. The US answer is to put a tariff on China to stop the competition. What a great idea but what else to expect from a Federal incompetent body of minds.

100%. The reality is like it or not, is the Chinese government allows for a long-term view of growth and strategy paving the way for businesses to plan accordingly. That being said they are by no means perfect and there is an over abundance of EV’s in China because of over production. But what that has allowed is a huge leap forward in technology.

The same progress can be seen in their energy industry, their navy/military complex, infrastructure, etc. Take for example their recent progress with thorium reactors. Technology, which is the US pioneered back in the 60s, but then just gave up on.

Chinese is kicking everybody’s ass and has been for a long time. We just don’t know it.

 

[Quibbs]

Just think about how much could be "saved" if we just rid of the "Big Bad Government"

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” .. Ronald Regan.

Perfect Example:

Flood Insurance" Is backed by the feds ... let's let those mansion on water wash into the sea!
EPA: Just because the Cuyahoga River caught on fire did mean there was sort of problem
Vaccines: What Polio Outbreak in the 50's. I mean if you can't survive after getting some really bad, easily cureable with a vaccine, disease then maybe you should be here?
Research: Let private sector decide what's important to us, they all have OUR best interest at heart
Money policy: Because it's so hard to understand, let's get rid if it!

My take was in reply to a poster who was suggesting that EVs arent there because they are subsidized while ignoring how many things in this country are.

I am not advocating no government by any means. In fact I believe we need government to try and keep the playing field as level as possible. There are a multitude of reason we need a good robust federal government.

However for a good many the current state of affairs is what happens when that federal system falls into the wrong hands.

Unfettered capitalism is just as dangerous as a maleficent government.

 

[Danface]

My take was in reply to a poster who was suggesting that EVs arent there because they are subsidized while ignoring how many things in this country are.

I am not advocating no government by any means. In fact I believe we need government to try and keep the playing field as level as possible. There are a multitude of reason we need a good robust federal government.

However for a good many the current state of affairs is what happens when that federal system falls into the wrong hands.

Unfettered capitalism is just as dangerous as a maleficent government.

100% agree

 

[Shmoe]

100%. The reality is like it or not, is the Chinese government allows for a long-term view of growth and strategy paving the way for businesses to plan accordingly. That being said they are by no means perfect and there is an over abundance of EV’s in China because of over production. But what that has allowed is a huge leap forward in technology.

The same progress can be seen in their energy industry, their navy/military complex, infrastructure, etc. Take for example their recent progress with thorium reactors. Technology, which is the US pioneered back in the 60s, but then just gave up on.

Chinese is kicking everybody’s ass and has been for a long time. We just don’t know it.

We should've taken a page from their book.. "New Energy" is much better than anything we came up with.

 

[Lomilar]

Probably will get buried, but here's a point!

Per this source: One advantage of a series hybrid (EREV in this case) is going to be much more efficient use of fuel in most situations since the engine will be able to maintain optimal load/RPM. Combine with something like an atkinson cycle (which I doubt?) and it'll have advantages over other hybrid models for fuel efficiency.

Edit: Almost forgot the point. That means that the engine can be right sized for the "tow up hill with empty battery" because it won't ever have to consider starting up that hill. We only really have to consider peak HP, so there will be no need for turbos or anything clever. This should arguably help with packaging and maintainability.

I still have massive concerns over the potential growing pains of series hybrids, but it certainly is a much more cautious step in the right direction. Still think it belongs more in the 250/350, but if you pretend the last 8 years didn't happen, this makes a kind of sense.

P.S. This is also what a transmission does, but transmissions don't also store energy.

 

[earlyadopt]

100%. The reality is like it or not, is the Chinese government allows for a long-term view of growth and strategy paving the way for businesses to plan accordingly. That being said they are by no means perfect and there is an over abundance of EV’s in China because of over production. But what that has allowed is a huge leap forward in technology.

The same progress can be seen in their energy industry, their navy/military complex, infrastructure, etc. Take for example their recent progress with thorium reactors. Technology, which is the US pioneered back in the 60s, but then just gave up on.

Chinese is kicking everybody’s ass and has been for a long time. We just don’t know it.

That was a nice way of outlining the facts. This short term thinking and planning is causing long term trouble. The long game that China plays is a good one. When will the West learn and wake up.
US politics will kill the auto industry if it is not already a regional player

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