Sponsored

sotek2345

Well-known member
First Name
Tom
Joined
Jun 7, 2021
Threads
34
Messages
3,905
Reaction score
4,719
Location
Upstate NY
Vehicles
2022 Lightning Lariat ER, 2021 Mach-e GT
Occupation
Engineering Manager
Maybe you are on to something here. If Henry Ford had a battery and an electric motor, what would he have done with it? Everybody would have been driving a Model E instead of a Model T. Nobody thinks like Henry Ford anymore, too many Edsel Ford copycats.
Eh - I can respect the invention of the assembly line, but given Henry Ford's Nazi-like philosophies and friendship with Hitler, I would be happy if nobody thought like that anymore.
Sponsored

 

NeighborGeek

Well-known member
First Name
Steve
Joined
Jun 22, 2025
Threads
5
Messages
126
Reaction score
146
Vehicles
2025 F150 Lightning Flash
To (somewhat) answer this question - it's a little different than your "generic AI". The Ford-specific nature comes from the proprietary integration layer.

While Ford may leverage foundational Large Language Models (LLMs) for natural language and general knowledge, the company is building its own intelligent thread that connects those models to its internal vehicle telemetry, service data, and sensor arrays. This is also a benefit of utilizing in-house teams and it ensures the assistant can communicate with the vehicle's hardware. This is a level of depth that a generic phone-based assistant cannot achieve.

It may not launch in-app with this level of integration, but you can see where the company is going with it.
I understand the potential benefits of giving the AI access to data from the vehicle. What doesn't make sense is making it a separate voice assistant that I have to go into the ford app to use. It would make more sense to expose it to Siri / Google / ChatGPT's existing services already on the device so that I can talk to them and they can leverage the tech in the ford app to get the answer. The generic phone based assistant doesn't have to be the one to do the work, it can just hand the request off to ford's AI and spit out what it gets back. I can't see this ever succeeding as a separate voice interface that only exists in the ford app.
 

NeighborGeek

Well-known member
First Name
Steve
Joined
Jun 22, 2025
Threads
5
Messages
126
Reaction score
146
Vehicles
2025 F150 Lightning Flash
What if the your vehicle just understood simple voice commands like “turn on/off seat heater” or “turn on/off defroster”? A man can dream…
Even better, there could just be a physical button you press to toggle the seat heater on and off.
 

NeighborGeek

Well-known member
First Name
Steve
Joined
Jun 22, 2025
Threads
5
Messages
126
Reaction score
146
Vehicles
2025 F150 Lightning Flash
Just look at the current human slop in the world. Human error in medicine kills and impairs tens of thousands of people each year in the U.S. alone. Same for drivers on the road. Take this forum as an example of the human mind. 🤣

I read years ago that the VA PHARMACY uses robots to dispense prescriptions to avoid human error.
A pharmacy robot is dramatically different from anything resembling AI. They are relatively simple systems. There are large bins that staff fills with pills. The 'robot' just counts pills from those bins, puts them into a bottle, and applies the label to the bottle. The bottle then drops out into a slot for humans to double check the machine's work, and for the pharmacist to review the medication as applicable to the specific patient to check for interactions etc.
Sure, there's complexity in the software receiving orders from the pharmacy management software, and orchestrating the different servos and sensors to dispense out the right number of pills from the right bin, but it's actually less like a 'Robot' as most people think of them and more like an oversized vending machine with a built in label printer.
 

bc1

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 25, 2025
Threads
13
Messages
458
Reaction score
334
Location
McPherson, KS
Vehicles
2025 Ford f150 Lightning Flash
Eh - I can respect the invention of the assembly line, but given Henry Ford's Nazi-like philosophies and friendship with Hitler, I would be happy if nobody thought like that anymore.
Sorry, guess I missed his friendship with Hitler and being like a Nazi in 1908 which was the year when he invented the Model T. Now I have to go back to see what happened to the Kaiser.
 

Sponsored

Jim Lewis

Well-known member
First Name
Jim
Joined
Jan 10, 2023
Threads
56
Messages
1,084
Reaction score
1,065
Location
San Antonio, TX
Vehicles
Honda Accord 2017; 2023 Lariat ER
Occupation
Retired
Just look at the current human slop in the world. Human error in medicine kills and impairs tens of thousands of people each year in the U.S. alone. Same for drivers on the road.
A pharmacy robot is dramatically different from anything resembling AI.
@NeighborGeek, you've got my post 180° reversed, looking at it from the wrong angle. The point is about "slop of the human mind" in comparison to complaints about "AI slop," as if the average human mind were some impeccable pinnacle of achievement (it's not). The point is, forget about AI slop. You can't even count on humans to do a purely robotic job. Some are daydreaming while performing relatively boring dispensing operations, a few might be all messed up over problems with their significant others or their finances, or maybe some are just distracted by thoughts of their vacation, starting next week, etc.

Within the limits of mechanical reliability, you can count on a robot (or AI) doing the same repetitive tasks over and over again, and not getting distracted by boredom, conversations with fellow workers, domestic or financial problems, or eagerness to start an impending vacation. That was the point of my post.

Both ChatGPT and Gemini give ~the same answer:
  • Many public safety summaries estimate that 7,000 – 9,000 Americans die each year due to medication errors, with pharmacy dispensing mistakes being a major contributor to these deaths.
🤕 People Injured / Sickened
  • Estimates of broader harm from medication errors (which include but are not limited to dispensing errors) are much larger:
    • ~1.3 million people are injured by medication errors annually in the U.S. according to some health authority reports.
    • Other analyses suggest hundreds of thousands of adverse outcomes (including hospitalizations, emergency visits, and significant side effects) occur each year due to mistakes in medication dispensing.
 

RipInPepz

Well-known member
First Name
Erik
Joined
Aug 25, 2025
Threads
1
Messages
45
Reaction score
52
Location
Ohio
Vehicles
2025 Flash Antimatter Blue - 131kWh ER, 9.6kW PPOB
Occupation
IT
Sort of ironic how EVs are meant to help reduce our environmental impact on the world, only to be impregnated with AI that will increase that negative impact tenfold. Maybe not right away with just the ford app, but in a decade when it's in every new car sold on Earth.

There is no cost too great when it comes to appeasing the shareholders, I suppose.
 

Firn

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 26, 2024
Threads
21
Messages
54
Reaction score
178
Location
USA
Vehicles
23 Pro ER
Maybe you are on to something here. If Henry Ford had a battery and an electric motor, what would he have done with it? Everybody would have been driving a Model E instead of a Model T. Nobody thinks like Henry Ford anymore, too many Edsel Ford copycats.
Rofl, which is funny considering Edsel fought against the stodgy stuck in the mud Ford leadership and was undermined because his cars were too forward thinking
 

bc1

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 25, 2025
Threads
13
Messages
458
Reaction score
334
Location
McPherson, KS
Vehicles
2025 Ford f150 Lightning Flash
Sort of ironic how EVs are meant to help reduce our environmental impact on the world, only to be impregnated with AI that will increase that negative impact tenfold. Maybe not right away with just the ford app, but in a decade when it's in every new car sold on Earth.

There is no cost too great when it comes to appeasing the shareholders, I suppose.
In the local news last night, apparently Kansas passed a bill last year offering 20 year tax breaks for data centers to develop the AI and now one or more counties have a 90 hold on any permits to study the impacts from water and electrical usage before issuing any permits for the data centers along with the Not in My Backyard people coming out against them. We got lots of wind farms and all the groups both for and against them. Many farmers reap financial benefits from it and are for them and its the former city slickers who moved onto a few acres out in the country who are against them. These are the same city slickers who move out by the airport and then complain about airliner noise and they also move out into farm country and complain about the dust being raised by a farmer plowing his fields. Go figure.
 

bc1

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 25, 2025
Threads
13
Messages
458
Reaction score
334
Location
McPherson, KS
Vehicles
2025 Ford f150 Lightning Flash
Rofl, which is funny considering Edsel fought against the stodgy stuck in the mud Ford leadership and was undermined because his cars were too forward thinking
By that time you are right. Maybe if Edsel had a decent battery back then, wasn't competing against the 55-57 and beyond Chevys, or come up with the Mustang, he might have caught on. When I was a driller in the middle east, we had 2000 HP EMD powered diesel electric engines running the drawworks run by DC motors from locomotive engines. When I stepped on the pedal and could pull 500,000 pounds of pipe out of a 25,000' hole like it was nothing was quite a feeling. Then it had a large inertia brake with a handle controller that I could stop and hold it mid air and let it down as slow as I wanted. That just goes to show how much power and braking is available in electric motors and I feel it in the Lightning driving in one pedal mode.
 

Sponsored

GingerBear85

Active member
First Name
Mike
Joined
May 18, 2023
Threads
1
Messages
40
Reaction score
28
Location
SoCal
Vehicles
2023 F-150 Lightning Lariat ER - Stone Metallic
Occupation
Construction
In the local news last night, apparently Kansas passed a bill last year offering 20 year tax breaks for data centers to develop the AI and now one or more counties have a 90 hold on any permits to study the impacts from water and electrical usage before issuing any permits for the data centers along with the Not in My Backyard people coming out against them. We got lots of wind farms and all the groups both for and against them. Many farmers reap financial benefits from it and are for them and its the former city slickers who moved onto a few acres out in the country who are against them. These are the same city slickers who move out by the airport and then complain about airliner noise and they also move out into farm country and complain about the dust being raised by a farmer plowing his fields. Go figure.
Having been a kid when my generations old farming family lost the last of the regional produce sales to large corporations and the land in turn to developments of people who moved out to the country and complained about the smell, tractors on the road, or the sounds of a functioning farming operation this hits home. Now it’s just data centers instead of city people causing problems. I’m pretty sure my grandfather would have been the first to embrace an electric truck for our daily operations vehicles, but he wouldn’t and I don’t want AI taking over the last of our personal spaces. What happens to these data centers when some get shuttered, that land won’t be farmed again easily. I’ll take my electric truck without data centers powering it’s mediocre answers and am glad it won’t be installed on our trucks… more reason to love my software flawed Lightning otherwise perfect truck for as long as I can!

Plus now it’s an antique, it will go up in value, Right 🤣🤣🤣?

Your doing the best you can Brian @fordmotorcompany problem is there is just one of you, when there should a a few more supporting you. This will be like one of those dying ai powered robots scenarios slowly playing out as this account and our trucks slowly stop responding and loosing functionality, for now you are appreciated for staying active! 😅
 

bc1

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 25, 2025
Threads
13
Messages
458
Reaction score
334
Location
McPherson, KS
Vehicles
2025 Ford f150 Lightning Flash
Having been a kid when my generations old farming family lost the last of the regional produce sales to large corporations and the land in turn to developments of people who moved out to the country and complained about the smell, tractors on the road, or the sounds of a functioning farming operation this hits home. Now it’s just data centers instead of city people causing problems. I’m pretty sure my grandfather would have been the first to embrace an electric truck for our daily operations vehicles, but he wouldn’t and I don’t want AI taking over the last of our personal spaces.
As I look back, nine of eleven of my uncles served during WWII. Considering they just went through the depression and rural electrification didn't get to our farming area until the war years, they and I appreciated "anything" that would save a little labor. My back reminds me every day and night throwing 55-60# hay bales as a kid. After I grew up someone invented the big baler. Go figure. But those guys and my grandfathers before them really put in the hard labor and my life is easy peasy now. Five of those nine uncles came back from the Pacific theater and settled in California after WWII. They are deceased now but what they knew of that state back in the their time is long gone.
 

TaxmanHog

Moderator
Moderator
First Name
Noel
Joined
Jan 19, 2022
Threads
240
Messages
16,891
Reaction score
19,216
Location
SE. Mass.
Vehicles
2022 Lightning Lariat-ER, 2024 HD Road Glide CVO-ST
Occupation
Retired
The AI boom is now driving nearly 50% of all U.S. economic growth, according to Q1 2026 Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) data. And Meta just issued a coy warning that is could all be over soon.

Spending on AI data centers, Nvidia GPU chips, cloud infrastructure, and hyperscale capital expenditures has exploded over the last two years, making the U.S. economy increasingly dependent on just a handful of technology companies.

One of the biggest developments came from Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg. After previously saying Meta could rent out AI infrastructure if it ever overbuilt, the company has now begun selling excess AI compute capacity to outside customers. That's a remarkable shift for a company planning to spend up to $150 billion building AI infrastructure. If one of the world's biggest AI investors is already admitting it has excess compute, what does that say about future demand for AI data centers?

We also examine Google's first negative free cash flow quarter since becoming a public company in 2004, Reuters' warning that AI capital expenditures are putting enormous pressure on Big Tech cash flows, and why many of the largest technology companies are now projected to spend more on AI infrastructure than they generate in free cash flow over the next several years.

The implications extend far beyond Silicon Valley. AI capital expenditures now account for nearly 50% of U.S. GDP growth, while consumer spending has remained resilient despite historically low savings rates and stretched household finances. If AI investment begins slowing, it could have major consequences for GDP growth, the stock market, housing market, commercial real estate, employment, and the broader U.S. economy.

Finally, we compare today's market with previous bubbles by examining the S&P 500 CAPE Ratio, stock valuations relative to earnings, and whether today's AI investment boom is beginning to resemble the Dot-Com Bubble of the late 1990s.

In this video:

• AI now accounts for nearly 50% of U.S. GDP growth
• Meta begins selling excess AI compute capacity
• Mark Zuckerberg's warning on AI infrastructure
• Google's first negative free cash flow since 2004
• Amazon, Microsoft, Meta, Oracle and Alphabet AI spending
• Nvidia GPU demand and data center construction
• OpenAI, Anthropic and hyperscaler investment
• Reuters' warning on AI capex and free cash flow
• The S&P 500 stock market bubble
• Consumer spending, GDP growth and recession risk
• Housing market implications of the AI boom
 

Jim Lewis

Well-known member
First Name
Jim
Joined
Jan 10, 2023
Threads
56
Messages
1,084
Reaction score
1,065
Location
San Antonio, TX
Vehicles
Honda Accord 2017; 2023 Lariat ER
Occupation
Retired
I wouldn't take Meta's fate as an example of where AI is headed in general. The market richly rewarded Microsoft, Amazon, and Google, the world's leading cloud providers, on their recent earnings reports indicating AI demand is translating into cloud revenue growth and that customers are willing to pay for AI infrastructure and services. Meta is suffering because investors feel what the F--- is Meta doing and how will it make money out of its spending?! Although the dot.com bubble burst, the economic and social landscape of the world was profoundly changed by its occurrence. Whether AI is a bubble or a new industrial revolution remains to be seen. The blacksmiths of the world won't lay down their hammers and tongs without an intense struggle. And it may end up being another area like solar and EVs where China ends up leaving the U.S. in the dust, by hook or by crook.
Sponsored

 
 







Top