Nema 14-50 receptacle needed?

[Kipp]

Hi all. I finally got my Ford charge station pro a few days ago. Electrician is scheduled to wire it up this week. In y’all’s opinion, should I get a nema 14-50 receptacle installed also as a backup if FCSP fails? Assuming this is doable and not cost prohibitiv, I was thinking it would be nice to have a backup plan. My current situation for home charging in the charger that came with the truck @ 120 volts. Is the extra receptacle overkill or a good idea? Thanks in advance for any insight. Truck is a 23 lariat er if that has any bearing.

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[bub]

I have a 14-50 installed next to my fcsp. There are quite a few here that did that.
I don't really use it as a backup. Initially I had it installed to be able to power welders. But since then the misses bought an ev, so now we can both charge at the same time.

I don't think you need it as a "backup". But If its not cost prohibitive its nice to have. Sometimes for charging its just nice to handle a lighter thinner charge cable too.

 

[The Weatherman]

I would certainly consider that. It would open up lots of options in the future.

 

[Maquis]

It should be on its own circuit, not the same one as the FCSP.

 

[Kipp]

It should be on its own circuit, not the same one as the FCSP.

Correct, and I believe I recall reading somewhere the 14-50 needs to be on a gfci breaker?

 

[flyct]

Correct, and I believe I recall reading somewhere the 14-50 needs to be on a gfci breaker?

Correct, for an EV 50 amp receptacle code requires it be protected by a GFCII, BUT if for a RV it doesn't need to be GFCI. Then anything in a garage I believe is required to be GFCI. A 50 amp double pole GFCI breaker adds about $100 -$150 to the parts list.

 

[Maquis]

Correct, and I believe I recall reading somewhere the 14-50 needs to be on a gfci breaker?

Depends on what year’s code you’re on. Unless you’re in a municipality that has adopted a newer code, Illinois defaults to 2008 and a GFCI is not required.

 

[tls]

A 50 amp double pole GFCI breaker adds about $100 -$150 to the parts list.

Buy the breaker bundled into a "spa panel" and you will get breaker plus enclosure for less than the cost of either.

 

[ScubaSteve_TheReal]

Buy the breaker bundled into a "spa panel" and you will get breaker plus enclosure for less than the cost of either.

Looking at doing this. Preparing to start the search on this spa panel option. TIA

 

[Maquis]

Buy the breaker bundled into a "spa panel" and you will get breaker plus enclosure for less than the cost of either.

10 years ago, I installed a spa and purchased a 50A Midwest spa panel with GFCI breaker for $38. The same bare breaker would have been $49.
The cheapest I can find them now is $112. The breaker alone is about the same price. It’s not the deal it used to be. Need to shop around, for sure.

 

[ScubaSteve_TheReal]

10 years ago, I installed a spa and purchased a 50A Midwest spa panel with GFCI breaker for $38. The same bare breaker would have been $49.
The cheapest I can find them now is $112. The breaker alone is about the same price. It’s not the deal it used to be. Need to shop around, for sure.

I’m semi confused. Are you all talking about something like this to mount in my case Inside garage? This one has box, 14-50 socket and 50amp breaker. One like this or just a breaker and box kit? The one I’m showing would allow 40amp charging and cord plugged into it with door closed.
TIA
https://a.co/d/0J35iqu

 

[Joe Dablock]

Hi all. I finally got my Ford charge station pro a few days ago. Electrician is scheduled to wire it up this week. In y’all’s opinion, should I get a nema 14-50 receptacle installed also as a backup if FCSP fails? Assuming this is doable and not cost prohibitiv, I was thinking it would be nice to have a backup plan. My current situation for home charging in the charger that came with the truck @ 120 volts. Is the extra receptacle overkill or a good idea? Thanks in advance for any insight. Truck is a 23 lariat er if that has any bearing.

I installed a 100 amp sub panel in the garage and added a Nema 14-50 plug right beside the panel just to have it. I since got a second electric car and had to use the plug for a couple months till the second charger was installed.

 

[Maquis]

I’m semi confused. Are you all talking about something like this to mount in my case Inside garage? This one has box, 14-50 socket and 50amp breaker. One like this or just a breaker and box kit? The one I’m showing would allow 40amp charging and cord plugged into it with door closed.
TIA
https://a.co/d/0J35iqu

No. That’s an RV panel, not a spa panel. The 14-50 in an RV panel isnt GFCI-protected (normally).

ETA - the 14-50Rs in those RV panels are the $10 junk ones.

This is a spa panel:

 

[ScubaSteve_TheReal]

No. That’s an RV panel, not a spa panel. The 14-50 in an RV panel isnt GFCI-protected (normally).
This is a spa panel:

Oops ok thanks. I know of some people use these at rv parks or very similar ones. So this is maybe like using a dryer 14-50 socket that is not GFCI with an EV too. My 14-50 50amp dryer socket on a 50amp breaker at cabin occasionally was used prob isn’t GFCI either. Lots of ways to do it but only a few right ones it seems.
TIA

 

[tls]

10 years ago, I installed a spa and purchased a 50A Midwest spa panel with GFCI breaker for $38. The same bare breaker would have been $49.
The cheapest I can find them now is $112. The breaker alone is about the same price. It’s not the deal it used to be. Need to shop around, for sure.

One brand or another always seems to be on sale cheap. Midwest was owned by GE and I don't know what happened to them really with all the corporate chaos there. One nice thing about those particular panels was that they were actually listed for use with most other brands of physically compatible breakers, since Midwest never sold branded breakers.

Cheapest option I can find right now is the Square D at $70.

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