POLL: trade your frunk for a generator?

[irunalot]

I love my frunk. My Ego mower fit securely in there! What a combo!

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[Landscaper]

I love my frunk. My Ego mower fit securely in there! What a combo!

Do you just drive around with it in there for fun? Looks like it’s never seen grass

 

[Newton]

This is a problem with the EREV solution, there will always be more stuff in this solution than with a BEV or ICE. There is no free lunch. If you take the battery out of the equation then you need an F-150 sized engine to get the power of an F-150 - assuming that your electrical 'transmission' is as efficient as the mechanical transmission. (I will make the assumption that the EREV is not more efficient than a mechanical transmission because otherwise we would have done it already).

However, it is worse than that because the engine is only part a generator. There is essentially another electric motor (the alternator) attached to the ICE engine and that motor only operates at one RPM. This means that to get the equivalent maximum horsepower you need to have a larger block, because you can't always run the engine that powers a generator at redline. That is on reason that large generators use diesel.

The alternator of a generator is much larger than the alternator that powers your 12V system, maybe half the size of the engine itself.

To build an EREV you need to find space for a larger block, the battery, and the alternator. You gain some space from the deletion of the mechanical transmission but unfortunately the space that you are looking for is not long and narrow, at least using any technology that currently exists commercially. Of course you now have to add a fuel tank.

The battery electric vehicle is an elegant solution to the problem of converting energy into motion - trading (charging) time for power at the expense of weight. The ICE is a hackneyed solution for converting billion-year-old stored energy to power, smog and human extinction. The EREV is the worst of both worlds.

 

[Cvh8601]

@Ford Motor Company
Are you paying attention to this group of Ford F-150 Lightning owners, who are the most likely buyers of future electrified Ford trucks?

it’ll be interesting to see how it turns out. To some extent the media has always had a disease of ‘ev sales are falling’ for years even though sales have been always increasing, except for the past few months.

I wonder if GM will follow suit or stay the course.

 

[Maybe Going EV]

I've never used the frunk once, but a gas generator would be a great thing to have.

 

[irunalot]

Do you just drive around with it in there for fun? Looks like it’s never seen grass

No! LOL. I bought it and transported it to my vaca house. It fit so neatly in there that I had to take a picture of it. I thought it looked cool in there. It's well used now!

 

[BabyDoc1012]

Please tell that to the Bug, Ghia, Porsche, and …owners that loved their frunk….oh I love very narrow minded internet posts. Oh and almost forgot TESLA whom had it almost a decade before the Lightning

And I love and use mine always. All my overlanding soft gear lives there so I have it for my tent year round so please only speak for yourself when you say “no one” as you will always be wrong when you speak in definitives.

You are not giving a good scenario, actually proving his point. In a Bug, Ghia, and most Porsches the engine is in the rear, where the trunk normally is. So the trunk in these vehicles is pushed to the front. I believe the Porsche Cayman/Boxster has both a frunk and trunk because of it being a mid-engine car. I could be wrong with that.

 

[Grease Lightning]

You are not giving a good scenario, actually proving his point. In a Bug, Ghia, and most Porsches the engine is in the rear, where the trunk normally is. So the trunk in these vehicles is pushed to the front. I believe the Porsche Cayman/Boxster has both a frunk and trunk because of it being a mid-engine car. I could be wrong with that.

They are still frunks and did you miss the TESLA part. Oh my gosh reading comprehension and critical thinking is hard on fourmns….

 

[BabyDoc1012]

I love my frunk, I use it all the time. It is great for groceries and stuff that I don't want rolling around my bed. I also use it to hide presents or things that I buy, like I currently have some of my wife's Christmas presents in there.

I guess maybe I am missing something about the allure of the EREV, it seems to me like it is the worst of both worlds. I understand that it can drastically help with range, however, if you are towing or traveling that much, maybe an EV isn't right for you.

 

[BabyDoc1012]

They are still frunks and did you miss the TESLA part. Oh my gosh reading comprehension and critical thinking is hard on fourmns….

Reading comprehension and critical thinking may be difficult, however the individual suffering from the lack is not who you think it is.

I was pointing out the fallacy in your argument about the Bug, Ghia, and specific Porsches. Because, yet they are frunks, however because their engines are in the rear their frunk is "technically" the trunk. So those examples do not apply to the post you originally responded to.

Just because TESLA had them for almost a decade before the lighting, in no way shape or form make the frunk a necessity that people cannot live without. Additionally, just because you cannot live without your frunk, does not mean that everyone cannot live without their frunk.

I believe we are all entitled to our own opinions, maybe next time agree to disagree and move one. Also, try not to get snarky and butt hurt when someone calls out your fallacy and practice some reading comprehension and critical thinking of your own, before just blasting off a reply.

 

[Grease Lightning]

Reading comprehension and critical thinking may be difficult, however the individual suffering from the lack is not who you think it is.

I was pointing out the fallacy in your argument about the Bug, Ghia, and specific Porsches. Because, yet they are frunks, but however because their engines are in the rear their frunk is "technically" the trunk. So those examples do not apply to the post you originally responded to.

Just because TESLA had them for almost a decade before the lighting, in no way shape or form make the frunk a necessity that people cannot live without. Additionally, just because you cannot live without your frunk, does not mean that everyone cannot live without their frunk.

I believe we are all entitled to our own opinions, maybe next time agree to disagree and move one. Also, try not to get snarky and butt hurt when someone calls out your fallacy and practice some reading comprehension and critical thinking of your own, before just blasting off a reply.

I am having a discussions and commented because you are cherry picking my words to defend your false and misguided narrative.
So no I do not have to just agree or disagree. It is called a debate when you challenge someone’s words rather than just “agreeing or disagreeing”.

I am sorry if you like to manipulate reality to defend yours, but my point was the lighting did not create the frunk, the concept had been around for years and decades. Those are fact that you cannot ignore. So stop trying to manipulate reality and gaslight us now.

Oh and by the way Rivian beat the Lightning to market too, so there is another example…oh yeah the Cyber Dumpster was prototyped in 2019…..two years prior to the Lightning…..So keep telling yourself you are right.

 

[sysop1]

We’re deep in the weeds, let’s all take a breath,
Arguing frunks like it’s life or it’s death.

Who made it first, who shipped it when,
Was it Ford, Rivian, Tesla, back then?

It’s a box in the front. It holds your stuff.
Groceries, tools, maybe ego—enough.

Some want a frunk, some want a gen,
Neither choice crowns a winner of men.

No gaslighting here, no grand deceit,
Just different folks liking different features in a truck they’ll drive to Home Depot and back on the street.

So vote what you like and let others do too,
It’s storage space, not a worldview.

 

[BabyDoc1012]

I am having a discussions and commented because you are cherry picking my words to defend your false and misguided narrative.
So no I do not have to just agree or disagree. It is called a debate when you challenge someone’s words rather than just “agreeing or disagreeing”.

I am sorry if you like to manipulate reality to defend yours, but my point was the lighting did not create the frunk, the concept had been around for years and decades. Those are fact that you cannot ignore. So stop trying to manipulate reality and gaslight us now.

Oh and by the way Rivian beat the Lightning to market too, so there is another example…oh yeah the Cyber Dumpster was prototyped in 2019…..two years prior to the Lightning…..So keep telling yourself you are right.

I am just having a discussion and commenting as well. I would please ask for you to show exactly where or how I cherrypicked your words? What exactly did I say that was false or misguided?

The original post you replied to was not insinuating that the Lighting created the frunk, just pointing out how he finds it odd that so many people cannot live without something that they did not have for years or decades. I will agree that the idea of a "frunk" is not a new concept, as you pointed out the Bug, has had one for over 80 years, when Ferdinand Porsche designed it into the "people's car." However, the frunk in the way it is being used today is a new "idea" as in you have both a trunk or truck bed and the addition of a front trunk or frunk. I would assume that probably started with TESLA when they began incorporating it into their designs, a decade before the Lightning, and wanted a name for it.

I would suggest it is you that is cherrypicking, manipulating, and gas lighting, as I never said you had to agree or disagree, I said some times it is better to just agree TO disagree and move on. You are free to debate, I was just pointing out that your argument was not as strong as you believed it was, because the examples you listed did not include a frunk, in the sense that we use the term today, and a trunk.

 

[Grease Lightning]

The original post you replied to was not insinuating that the Lighting created the frunk, just pointing out how he finds it odd that so many people cannot live without something that they did not have for years or decades.

Their exact words:

The lightning is roomy enough not sure whey we need the space under the hood no one in the history of the world ever needed in a car or truck all the sudden we can’t live without it .

So again for the class… “no one in the history of the world ever needed in a car”. Hence absolutely they are implying that we never needed before the lightning yet there is a list of cars and manufacturers that predated the lightning…. again reading comprehension and critical thinking, I know it is hard.

Your own manipulation of reality:

I was pointing out the fallacy in your argument about the Bug, Ghia, and specific Porsches. Because, yet they are frunks, however because their engines are in the rear their frunk is "technically" the trunk. So those examples do not apply to the post you originally responded to.

Nice gaslighting….and clownsplaining as you are trying to defend your own false narratives.

Just because TESLA had them for almost a decade before the lighting, in no way shape or form make the frunk a necessity that people cannot live without. Additionally, just because you cannot live without your frunk, does not mean that everyone cannot live without their frunk.

Did I ever say “everyone”. Nope I pointed out the false claim and assertion my personal opinion about my own personal preference. Again attempting to manipulate reality for your own narrative….critical thinking and comprehension

Well Timmy
I need to be an adult and not your kindergarten teacher, so I hope you have a good day and a Merry Christmas

 

[The Weatherman]

Nope!

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