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[Jamchampnate]

A demo drive alone will not tell the full story. My son has a 2024 Y and FSD has continual 'hiccups' at bad times.

Fine for the same highways as BC or SuperCruise. Around town not so much. I'd really review with your parents because anyone that can't drive better than FSD should not be driving.

Yep this. FSD is amazing in some areas, atrocious in others. It’s the level of unpredictability that makes it a nightmare. You think you’re good and suddenly you’re not. One that happens, you don’t have that level of confidence in FSD again.

It’ll get there but it just ain’t there yet.

Source: years with a model s plaid FSD followed by a model x plaid with FSD.

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[PrimeRisk]

A demo drive alone will not tell the full story. My son has a 2024 Y and FSD has continual 'hiccups' at bad times.

Fine for the same highways as BC or SuperCruise. Around town not so much. I'd really review with your parents because anyone that can't drive better than FSD should not be driving.

Interesting perspective. I have a '21 Model Y on HW3 and a '23 Model Y on HW4 and have 30k+ miles of FSD experience, roughly 50% on in-town streets. I would trust FSD in either of those vehicles to drive me blindfolded and hands bound through LA on the 405 during rush hour before 10 minutes on BC on I-25 in the middle of nowhere Wyoming in my '24 Lariat.

I will admit that during 25-30% of drives in-town with FSD something occurs where I take over control from the vehicle. It is far from perfect. To date I have never been able to complete a single drive beyond a 20 mile stretch on open freeway in light traffic on Blue Cruise without having to take over or it disengaging on me.

BTW, BC does not work in-town anywhere. It never has and unlikely it ever will. It only operates on pre-mapped, divided highways and interstates. When construction diversions or changes happen, until the maps are updated, Blue Cruise is completely unpredictable and you have now way of knowing when BC will suddenly 'hiccup'. It will either disengage at the worst possible moment or drive you off an exit at highway speeds.

To their credit, Ford has mapped about 130,000 miles of freeways in the US and Canada. Unfortunately there are over 4 million miles of paved roads in the US alone and Tesla's FSD works on every mile of it. Ford also boasts "hundreds of millions of miles driven on Blue Cruise" compared to over 7 billion logged on Tesla's FSD. Not much of a wonder considering that Blue Cruise only works on about 3% of roads.

The difference is that Blue Cruise is completely reliant upon the mapping of an ever changing landscape and when that landscape changes enough, the entire system fails to operate. Tesla's FSD uses computer vision interpret and drive whatever road it is on and no pre-mapping is used.

The end result is that Blue Cruise, with this pre-mapped requirement, will never be able to achieve the automation or number of miles that Tesla achieved in 2016. It is a dead end approach.

I believe in this so much that I will put my money where my mouth is:

I live in a suburb of Denver and I work in the heart of downtown Denver overlooking Union Station. I will bet $10,000 hard cash on the performance of Tesla FSD vs your choice of Blue Cruise enabled Ford vehicle. If your Blue Cruise can out perform FSD on this drive based on the following criteria from curb to curb, I'll gladly put 100 crisp Benjamins in your hand.

Weighted Criteria:

• 40% - Number of miles driven with full automation (no hands on wheel or feet on pedals)
• 40% - Number of takeovers required by the driver (including any adjustment to speed or lane changes)
• 20% - Number of times the automation system disengages itself without driver takeover

Is this a sucker bet? Of course it is. No BC enabled vehicle could make it off of the street in front of my home because it can't even engage there.

So, how about a real bet? You choose the amount you are willing to put up ($1k minimum) and we'll apply the same criteria driving from Denver, CO to Cheyenne, WY. ~100 miles of driving 100% on I-25 divided highway.

 

[Jamchampnate]

Interesting perspective. I have a '21 Model Y on HW3 and a '23 Model Y on HW4 and have 30k+ miles of FSD experience, roughly 50% on in-town streets. I would trust FSD in either of those vehicles to drive me blindfolded and hands bound through LA on the 405 during rush hour before 10 minutes on BC on I-25 in the middle of nowhere Wyoming in my '24 Lariat.

I will admit that during 25-30% of drives in-town with FSD something occurs where I take over control from the vehicle. It is far from perfect. To date I have never been able to complete a single drive beyond a 20 mile stretch on open freeway in light traffic on Blue Cruise without having to take over or it disengaging on me.

BTW, BC does not work in-town anywhere. It never has and unlikely it ever will. It only operates on pre-mapped, divided highways and interstates. When construction diversions or changes happen, until the maps are updated, Blue Cruise is completely unpredictable and you have now way of knowing when BC will suddenly 'hiccup'. It will either disengage at the worst possible moment or drive you off an exit at highway speeds.

To their credit, Ford has mapped about 130,000 miles of freeways in the US and Canada. Unfortunately there are over 4 million miles of paved roads in the US alone and Tesla's FSD works on every mile of it. Ford also boasts "hundreds of millions of miles driven on Blue Cruise" compared to over 7 billion logged on Tesla's FSD. Not much of a wonder considering that Blue Cruise only works on about 3% of roads.

The difference is that Blue Cruise is completely reliant upon the mapping of an ever changing landscape and when that landscape changes enough, the entire system fails to operate. Tesla's FSD uses computer vision interpret and drive whatever road it is on and no pre-mapping is used.

The end result is that Blue Cruise, with this pre-mapped requirement, will never be able to achieve the automation or number of miles that Tesla achieved in 2016. It is a dead end approach.

I believe in this so much that I will put my money where my mouth is:

I live in a suburb of Denver and I work in the heart of downtown Denver overlooking Union Station. I will bet $10,000 hard cash on the performance of Tesla FSD vs your choice of Blue Cruise enabled Ford vehicle. If your Blue Cruise can out perform FSD on this drive based on the following criteria from curb to curb, I'll gladly put 100 crisp Benjamins in your hand.

Weighted Criteria:

• 40% - Number of miles driven with full automation (no hands on wheel or feet on pedals)
• 40% - Number of takeovers required by the driver (including any adjustment to speed or lane changes)
• 20% - Number of times the automation system disengages itself without driver takeover

Is this a sucker bet? Of course it is. No BC enabled vehicle could make it off of the street in front of my home because it can't even engage there.

So, how about a real bet? You choose the amount you are willing to put up ($1k minimum) and we'll apply the same criteria driving from Denver, CO to Cheyenne, WY. ~100 miles of driving 100% on I-25 divided highway.

Needed an AI overview for this. Too long lol.

 

[PrimeRisk]

Yep this. FSD is amazing in some areas, atrocious in others. It’s the level of unpredictability that makes it a nightmare. You think you’re good and suddenly you’re not. One that happens, you don’t have that level of confidence in FSD again.

It’ll get there but it just ain’t there yet.

Source: years with a model s plaid FSD followed by a model x plaid with FSD.

Comparing the ~5 million miles that FSD can operate on in the US and Canada vs the 130,000 miles of mapped roads that Blue Cruise is limited to is like comparing apples to hammers. So how about a fair comparison of the lowest common denominator: Blue Cruise.

On those 130k miles of road that Blue Cruise has the detailed maps on, how do you think FSD compares?

Hands down, my experience between FSD and BC gives FSD the win. I can't remember the last time FSD made a confidence-shaking mistake on a divided highway. I can tell you the last time that BC did...yesterday.

Source: 30k+ miles of FSD and BC experience in a '21 MYP, '23 MYLR, and a '24 Lightning Lariat.

 

[PrimeRisk]

Needed an AI overview for this. Too long lol.

Ok:

Blue Cruise is terrible and I'll put my money where my mouth is:

I'll bet $10k that your BC enabled Ford can't drive from my home to my office better than my FSD enabled Tesla.

ChatGPT is more polite:

" Even with imperfections, Tesla’s FSD is already more useful and scalable because it works everywhere, while BlueCruise is limited, brittle, and unlikely to ever match Tesla’s automation capability. "

 

[klossfam]

I agree this is not remotely apples to apples. BC and SuperCruise are highway road trip and/or highway commute tools.

The FSD 'danger' is primarily from dumba**es who are neither car people or tech people and think it is foolproof. However, the issue is, there are a lot of dumba**es...

 

[PrimeRisk]

I agree this is not remotely apples to apples. BC and SuperCruise are highway road trip and/or highway commute tools.

The FSD 'danger' is primarily from dumba**es who are neither car people or tech people and think it is foolproof. However, the issue is, there are a lot of dumba**es...

Automation overconfidence is a huge issue, especially for the dumba$$es. All of these systems are only driver assistants, therefore not the driver. The human is still the responsible party at all times, but even with all of the work put in to ensure that the driver literally doesn't decide to do the NY times crossword puzzle or fall asleep at the wheel, they continue to find ways to defeat these systems believing that systems are infallible.

The statistics are not great for human drivers though. NHTSA keeps statistics on vehicle crashes and the numbers are pretty scary: 1.89 vehicle crashes per million miles (note that this is not accidents, it is crashes).

The NHTSA does not have statistics on the use of automation for any of these crashes, whether that is simply basic cruise control, TACC/ACC, or Level 2 systems (SuperCruise, BC, ProPILOT, FSD, DrivePilot, etc)

What is interesting is that only Tesla publishes statistics on the performance of their driver assistant systems and the latest numbers I could find are 0.15 vehicle crashes per million miles while AutoPilot or FSD were engaged. (Performing much better than humans.)

I find it interesting that no other auto manufacturer publishes their system's performance data.

 

[PJnc284]

Still have another 2 years left on my BC but I ditched it for a Comma 3x back in July and haven't looked back. It's certainly not FSD but beats BC any day of the week for the simple fact it doesn't require mapped roads.

 

[GDN]

Interesting perspective. I have a '21 Model Y on HW3 and a '23 Model Y on HW4 and have 30k+ miles of FSD experience, roughly 50% on in-town streets. I would trust FSD in either of those vehicles to drive me blindfolded and hands bound through LA on the 405 during rush hour before 10 minutes on BC on I-25 in the middle of nowhere Wyoming in my '24 Lariat.

This ^^^.

After our month in a '23 Y with HW 3 the Tesla FSD can likely out drive 85% of the people on the road. I trusted it for 1200 miles in December. It is not perfect, that is why it is supervised, but it's better than most other drivers and will become a game changer for many that likely shouldn't be driving at all any more.

 

[PJnc284]

Just looked at mine again and it updated to 3 additional years instead of the one that it was previously.

 

[digitaldad]

Just looked at mine again and it updated to 3 additional years instead of the one that it was previously.

Congrats...what was BC described as on your window sticker (one of the blank ones) or showing 3-year?

Mine was shown as: FORD BLUECRUISE 1.0 (3 YRS) under the 511A group....still only 1-year "free" extension under my profile.

 

[PJnc284]

It had 3yrs similar to yours. It was showing the 1 additional last week so guess they're slowly rolling it out. Kind of a moot point though since I ditched BC for a Comma 3x back in July.

 

[digitaldad]

It had 3yrs similar to yours. It was showing the 1 additional last week so guess they're slowly rolling it out. Kind of a moot point though since I ditched BC for a Comma 3x back in July.

Understood, thanks for confirming though.

 

[Pitbull2o08]

Just looked at mine again and it updated to 3 additional years instead of the one that it was previously.

You checked in the app or on the computer?

 

[PJnc284]

You checked in the app or on the computer?

The app under connected services. Oddly enough the website still shows 1. @Ford Motor Company - Any insight into why the website shows different from the app and if Ford is rolling out additional years?

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