Tesla opening superchargers to non-tesla vehicles in the US

[kWfart]

For those non Tesla vehicles that will charge on the SC, do you feel an access fee should be charged like $4.95 then a rate of $.79 kWh?

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[beatle]

For those non Tesla vehicles that will charge on the SC, do you feel an access fee should be charged like $4.95 then a rate of $.79 kWh?

I'd bet the cost will be higher (it is in the UK), though Tesla doesn't say specifically:

https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/non-tesla-supercharging

There is no mention of an access fee which is good. I think those are ridiculous since you may only need a few kwh, and many people report random poor performance on non-Tesla DCFC which forces them to change chargers and get hit with another fee.

 

[vbaker4444]

Here’s a pretty well done video on open Tesla super chargers in Europe. My guess is that it will be a similar experience here.

 

[RickLightning]

I'm not sure I understand some of the feuds going on in this thread...Yes, the Super Charger Network is the gold standard of networks, yes some Telsa owners are just of big of dicks as BMW drivers (what's the difference between a BMW and a cactus? The prick is inside the BMW), but if the Tesla Super Charger Network is open to all, what is the problem?

No, I don't own a Tesla, no I won't fast charge often, but I think it is good I could charge at a Tesla spot if needed...I don't expect our free charging will be valid outside of the Blue Oval Network.

So what is it with the sniping on this thread? And while I don't normally call out specific people, I'm looking at some of the last posts in this thread (you know who you are without me putting an @)...why you saying what you are saying?

The free charging hours can only be used at EA chargers.

 

[IdeaOfTheDayCom]

I assume Uncle Sam must be writing Tesla a massive check, or else this makes no sense for them. Tesla's competitive advantage in charging is a key reason they are the leader in the EV space today. My SR Lightning just started to look a lot better, thanks Tesla!

Musk has always said he wanted to open the network to non-Teslas. Having a proprietary network was never intended to be for a competitive edge. There was no standard when they started building cars, so they made one.

The biggest hurdle was't a business decision, it was working out how to manage the logistics. Right now, when you plug into a SuperCharger, it recognizes your VIN # and has your credit card number on file and just starts charging.

To allow non-Tesla vehicles means working out both the plug and the payment. They got a head start in their tests in Europe because European Teslas already use the newer industry standard plugs.

 

[FlasherZ]

I don't think anyone here, all of us fans of the Lightning, would argue against your first sentence. My original point seems to have gotten lost, so to reiterate: opening up the SC network to all EVs will place existing Tesla owners at a disadvantage, and diminish any brand loyalty that exists due to the SC network among that same group, without some further move to sweeten the deal by Tesla.

As a Tesla driver, I really don't care whether the SC network is owned by Tesla, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Hyvee, or JCP, as long as it works and the user experience is just as good. Plug in, car charges, unplug, card gets charged, move on down the road.

Is it more disadvantageous? Perhaps, if there's more competition for those sites that are constantly full. But it'll even out in fairly short order as Tesla uses its capacity management practices to build up, if it wants to stay in that business.

(Back in 2014 I predicted Tesla would only stay in the Supercharger business for as long as it took for someone else to realize a market, probably energy companies, but they just didn't get it.)

 

[RickLightning]

Wouldn't it be funny if the administration put this in their info to force Musk's hand? I would LMFAO.

 

[GDN]

For those non Tesla vehicles that will charge on the SC, do you feel an access fee should be charged like $4.95 then a rate of $.79 kWh?

I'm OK with and hope the rate is higher for non-Tesla, it will work well for all. The non-Tesla gets to take advantage for the better network and Tesla makes a little more for allowing them too.

I think access fees are stupid and should be banished. Multiple level fees based on whether you pay an access fee or not are ridiculous. Find the right fee for that area/station and change it per KwH or by the minute whichever is the right way to charge, one rate for Tesla's and another non-Tesla rate.

This is a thought/suggestion I've had for a while. Should work well for non-Tesla's too if the makers can find programmers smart enough to implement it. The busier stations need an "Auto Queue" - meaning the Supercharger is geofenced. When you pull within 500 ft - you get an inquiry in your auto asking if you want to charge. If you say yes - then it assigns you your place in line (If there is a line - and many places there are.) Then Tesla manages the queue and tells you when you are next and which charger is yours to use. This will cut out the line skippers (and there are plenty in the Tesla world already.) If you cut the line and try to charge the station should not activate and deny you a charge.

 

[2000Firehawk]

As someone who ran into major charging limitations on the first minor road trip to Ocean City, MD (150 miles plus driving during the days down there), this is positive news. There is a bank of superchargers right there that would have solved my problems for the entire trip so. Instead, I was stuck hopping from place to place to try to find somewhere to charge at anything that would keep up with minor driving let alone give me enough to get home. I was never worried per se, but it was a major inconvenience when it did not have to be. I am skeptical of the time it will take to roll out the changes to the system and how they will manage the capacity for non-Teslas, but having more options is not a bad thing.

 

[GDN]

While many have noted good experience with EA chargers @2000Firehawk 's story shouldn't exist. This is what makes the truck unusable and unreliable to some.

This is where Farley hasn't put his money where his mouth is. I say he should reach out to Tesla and offer a paltry $200 to $400 per truck (and MachE) that Ford puts on the road to get the SC network open to them. That is incentive and gets Ford to the front of the line for integration perhaps. The few million is a drop in the bucket for Ford.

 

[Oneand0]

This has to be a good thing. I’m selling my Tesla soon and have been checking out the fast chargers for the Lightning in my area of normal travel routes and I’m fine. But, if I ever go out to another route paying more to use and SC in a pinch would be a sweet deal in my book.

 

[F150ROD]

You do realize that the SC network is as successful as it is because of the people who've been buying Teslas for the past decade, right? So you'll take advantage of the SC network, while crapping on the people who made it possible?

Tesla owners always seem to be the Victims…… poor owners….

 

[RickLightning]

While many have noted good experience with EA chargers @2000Firehawk 's story shouldn't exist. This is what makes the truck unusable and unreliable to some.

This is where Farley hasn't put his money where his mouth is. I say he should reach out to Tesla and offer a paltry $200 to $400 per truck (and MachE) that Ford puts on the road to get the SC network open to them. That is incentive and gets Ford to the front of the line for integration perhaps. The few million is a drop in the bucket for Ford.

Few million? I don't think so. Ford is going to a run rate of 150,000 by middle of next year. They will be producing millions per year of EVs in general by 2024. Let's assume that by 2024 they're producing 250,000 Lightnings a year. 250,000 x $200 = $50 million.

This will never happen.

 

[GDN]

Few million? I don't think so. Ford is going to a run rate of 150,000 by middle of next year. They will be producing millions per year of EVs in general by 2024. Let's assume that by 2024 they're producing 250,000 Lightnings a year. 250,000 x $200 = $50 million.

This will never happen.

Speaking for what is on the road right now - and yeah - well $50M (that is a drop in the bucket to a company the size of Ford and for the price the Lightning is bringing) is still dirt cheap for Farley to man up and make those incredible vehicles he is selling truly usable for leaving your home area without fear of not being able to charge.

 

[RickLightning]

Speaking for what is on the road right now - and yeah - well $50M (that is a drop in the bucket to a company the size of Ford and for the price the Lightning is bringing) is still dirt cheap for Farley to man up and make those incredible vehicles he is selling truly usable for leaving your home area without fear of not being able to charge.

Don't know what "man up" has to do with anything.

If Farley signed a deal of any type with Tesla his career would end at Ford. No one, including the US government, should trust Musk to follow through on anything.

I have never left on a road trip with any fear. I've put almost 11,000 miles on Mach-Es, the majority on highway trips. New charging locations are being added, and the $7.5B is being put to use, and by a year from now things will look much different.

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