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I just returned from a trip where I charged at mostly Tesla SuperChargers, a few EAs. I hit peak speeds of 193kW per EA (in Bozeman), the other 3 EA sessions were 180 and 182. I saw speeds of 182 or so at Tesla SuperChargers.
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I just returned from a trip where I charged at mostly Tesla SuperChargers, a few EAs. I hit peak speeds of 193kW per EA (in Bozeman), the other 3 EA sessions were 180 and 182. I saw speeds of 182 or so at Tesla SuperChargers.
Rick, you have way more DCFC experience than I do but am I correct in my belief that the trucks seemingly used to peak between 170 & 179?
 
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See post 131. ?



Thanks for testing, yes report back please.
Here is the session summary. Averages out to 134 but I didn't get to the truck right at 80% (after 80% SOC the usual 54 kw speed).

The net session was 16-83% as we are trying to use KIA credit that expires 2/13.

Ford F-150 Lightning OTA Software Update 10.3.0 - Powertrain, Battery, Parking Brake Screenshot_20250204_122556_Electrify America
 

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I just returned from a trip where I charged at mostly Tesla SuperChargers, a few EAs. I hit peak speeds of 193kW per EA (in Bozeman), the other 3 EA sessions were 180 and 182. I saw speeds of 182 or so at Tesla SuperChargers.
Tesla SCs do rip on the Ford EVs. Although, my wife is doing an Elon boycott, so not using on our upcoming FL trip (even rerouting as you can't cut through WV efficiently unless you use Tesla SCs)

Although inconvenient, her logic is sound as an unelected official should not be running our country.
 

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Although inconvenient, her logic is sound as an unelected official should not be running our country.
That would be a great point, if not it being fairly obvious 46 was not exactly running the show during the last 4 years
 

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That would be a great point, if not it being fairly obvious 46 was not exactly running the show during the last 4 years
My key word was 'elected' but best to stop any political commentary at this point.
 

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My key word was 'elected' but best to stop any political commentary at this point.
Staff isn't elected, but I agree, I'll stop. Just could not let it go without retort.

FYI... both sides of the 50/50 split exist on this forum. Should not be treated like an echo chamber
 

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Way I see it is this:

For now, it's a free country - and if you want your electrons to not be doing weird things with their hands, you can go some other place ;)

FWIW, the thing I'm most looking forward to is a pre-heating function for the battery pack. I know the newer 24s have it, but I'd love to have a button to pre-heat the pack for fast charging. Having it tied to route planning is a bit... as we used to say in the UK, Naff.
 

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FWIW, the thing I'm most looking forward to is a pre-heating function for the battery pack. I know the newer 24s have it, but I'd love to have a button to pre-heat the pack for fast charging.
The 24's have manual precondition of battery? That's first I've heard that if Im understanding your statement correctly.
 

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Way I see it is this:

For now, it's a free country - and if you want your electrons to not be doing weird things with their hands, you can go some other place ;)

FWIW, the thing I'm most looking forward to is a pre-heating function for the battery pack. I know the newer 24s have it, but I'd love to have a button to pre-heat the pack for fast charging. Having it tied to route planning is a bit... as we used to say in the UK, Naff.
Agreed on preconditioning. My EA charge noted above was simply switching from AA to Ford Nav, putting in the EA station and HOPING it preconditioned. We have a 2022 Ioniq 5 that basically has check box (that often unchecks itself after you do anything in the menu) and a small 'heating coil' indicator over the battery icon when it is preconditioning. This is only slightly better.

The new 2025 Ioniq 5s do have a 'manual' precondition check box. This is the only true way to guarantee at least some battery heating occurs. Still there are issues with when it shuts down preconditioning to save range (I think the current BMS on the Hyundai does it at 17-20%). I'd have to assume with the charging curve I got today that some preconditioning happened on the Lightning.
 

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Rick, you have way more DCFC experience than I do but am I correct in my belief that the trucks seemingly used to peak between 170 & 179?
In my experience, it's the CHARGER that gives you the speed. In other words, if it's an newer EA charger, you get a higher max than an old EA charger. Last March I hit 194 in Rawlins, WY.

The EA app shows the highest speed hit. Tesla app doesn't, nor does Ford, so if you don't watch you'll miss it (either on an EA display or with Car Scanner).
 

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I also confirmed that my 2022 doesn't precondition to any charger. Eagerly awaiting 10.0.1.
 

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Tesla SCs do rip on the Ford EVs. Although, my wife is doing an Elon boycott, so not using on our upcoming FL trip (even rerouting as you can't cut through WV efficiently unless you use Tesla SCs)

Although inconvenient, her logic is sound as an unelected official should not be running our country.
If I thought not using Tesla SuperChargers would any impact or visibility, that might be interesting. We did a trip to Florida via West Virginia using almost exclusively Tesla SuperChargers back in December. Just finished a trip from Michigan to Montana through North Dakota, then back through Wyoming. In some cases there are no Tesla SuperChargers, so you have to use EA. But, we used Tesla where we could. Tesla SuperChargers are CHEAPER than EA in many places. How much does that matter? Depends on how much you charge with them.

It should also be noted that Tesla's price includes tax, EA's does not.

I charged almost 1,600kWh on SuperChargers. Prices ranged from 30 cents to 37 cents. Let's use 35 cents for an average.

EA was at least 42 cents, plus tax. Let's assume 45 cents.

1600 x .35 = $560. If I paid 45 cents, it would be $720, or $160 higher.

I also NEVER waited for a Tesla SuperCharger the entire trip. Nor did I have an issue except at one where it was charging a bit slow, and then kicked up to normal speed. I attributed it to the location being totally full.

If I owned a Tesla, I could see how getting rid of it makes a statement. But not charging there won't be noticed by anyone, and hitting an EA location with one or more broken chargers, or a line, is a killjoy.

I'll stick with insulting the man on Twitter...
 

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BTW, do you think 10.3.0 contained any DC charge curve refinements? Asking because my first DC session after the OTA on an EA 350 (a 27 F day with only 10 miles of battery preconditioning) peaked at 186 kws and than sat in the 140-154 range all the way to 80% SOC. This is about 15 kws higher in all areas vs prior to 10.3.0.
I think there’s been plenty of previous DPs where people have hit max charges like this, but the second part would be a MUCH bigger deal if true. The lower part of the curve has typically been around ~120 kw until now. Getting ~140-150kw after the initial surge would be huge, since that is the longer part of most charges.
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