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[evowner]

The good news for all of you trump supporters is that the term 'climate change' has been removed from the governments vocabulary. So no more hurricanes, no more floods, no more fires, no more once in a lifetime (every year) massive storms. No need to try to do anything to try to help that situation. The only thing he has accomplished on day one. Drill baby drill.

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[evowner]

Power corrupts. Money and power corrupts absolutely.

You have got that right!. Bitcoin, for one, figured it out. If they wanted to succeed they must bribe the leaders. trump who yeas ago had it right about the dangers, quickly reversed his opinion once the money faucet started flowing. Ticktock the same.

In retrospect the EV industry should have been buying more republicans.

 

[StevenC56]

You have got that right!. Bitcoin, for one, figured it out. If they wanted to succeed they must bribe the leaders. trump who yeas ago had it right about the dangers, quickly reversed his opinion once the money faucet started flowing. Ticktock the same.

In retrospect the EV industry should have been buying more republicans.

It would be impossible to outspend the oil industry.

 

[Oafy44]

The good news for all of you trump supporters is that the term 'climate change' has been removed from the governments vocabulary. So no more hurricanes, no more floods, no more fires, no more once in a lifetime (every year) massive storms. No need to try to do anything to try to help that situation. The only thing he has accomplished on day one. Drill baby drill.

I’m not a Trump supporter but a moderate that can see and appreciate good ideas on both sides that help the majority of people. “Climate change “ has been happening since the beginning of time. How are the 7 wonders of the world lush with vegetation mostly now deserts? No machinery or mass populations were present during that time. How do forests regrow when they become diseased and overgrown ? - or better yet , how do you manage them so they don’t become diseased and overgrown? Progressives are against thinning out forest practices that have been around for centuries because an endangered squirrel might get killed but then yell when half of California burns and blame it on climate change. As more and more people populate the world -more and more news is broadcast on tv and social media that are meant to anger viewers for ad sales, the more you will here about natural disasters that have always happened / and in same magnitude but there weren’t the amount of people living in those areas that time.
Hurricanes will always cost more every year but only because a larger population is living by the sea. “Record” damage from hurricanes will always happen until people stop living by the sea.

If the left really cared about climate change the energy grid would have adopted the cleanest form of efficient energy which would be nuclear - but their own party can’t agree on how to implement it without wrapping everything in red tape and doing “studies” that last decades and makes everything cost 5 times as much.
I am all for the safest and cleanest way to produce energy and products , But once global warming angle kind of teetered out - it was replaced by climate change.

It’s up to everyone to be mindful of the earth and their communities - but shouting Someone down over a theology belief isn’t going to change ones opinion.

Remember - arguably the greatest contributor to the way people will travel-‘amongst other achievements - for the next foreseeable future is the same one who supports the current administration and hopefully will find a nice reset of our tax money going to items that make the most sense whether we agree on that particular item or not. I don’t expect to agree with everything DOGE does , but there has to be a reset or else we will become Europe / Rome /Greece a lot sooner then it took them to become what they are now. We all want change unless it affects us personally then we get mad and vote someone out of office until we get our way.

ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.- JFK

 

[astrand1]

Just keep in mind, god forbid, when something bad happens to you or your family, because of what a FOREIGN national is doing to our county, that Joe Biden is no longer POTUS.

???

 

[Grumpy2]

Science is sometimes a difficult issue to understand.

 

[StevenC56]

Science is sometimes a difficult issue to understand.

Only when you refuse to understand and accept it.

 

[evowner]

I’m not a Trump supporter but a moderate that can see and appreciate good ideas on both sides that help the majority of people. “Climate change “ has been happening since the beginning of time. How are the 7 wonders of the world lush with vegetation mostly now deserts? No machinery or mass populations were present during that time. How do forests regrow when they become diseased and overgrown ? - or better yet , how do you manage them so they don’t become diseased and overgrown? Progressives are against thinning out forest practices that have been around for centuries because an endangered squirrel might get killed but then yell when half of California burns and blame it on climate change. As more and more people populate the world -more and more news is broadcast on tv and social media that are meant to anger viewers for ad sales, the more you will here about natural disasters that have always happened / and in same magnitude but there weren’t the amount of people living in those areas that time.
Hurricanes will always cost more every year but only because a larger population is living by the sea. “Record” damage from hurricanes will always happen until people stop living by the sea.

If the left really cared about climate change the energy grid would have adopted the cleanest form of efficient energy which would be nuclear - but their own party can’t agree on how to implement it without wrapping everything in red tape and doing “studies” that last decades and makes everything cost 5 times as much.
I am all for the safest and cleanest way to produce energy and products , But once global warming angle kind of teetered out - it was replaced by climate change.

It’s up to everyone to be mindful of the earth and their communities - but shouting Someone down over a theology belief isn’t going to change ones opinion.

Remember - arguably the greatest contributor to the way people will travel-‘amongst other achievements - for the next foreseeable future is the same one who supports the current administration and hopefully will find a nice reset of our tax money going to items that make the most sense whether we agree on that particular item or not. I don’t expect to agree with everything DOGE does , but there has to be a reset or else we will become Europe / Rome /Greece a lot sooner then it took them to become what they are now. We all want change unless it affects us personally then we get mad and vote someone out of office until we get our way.

ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.- JFK

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, and yes there have been many changes over the years, but the recent significant climate change is considered to have started around the mid-to-late 19th century, coinciding with the onset of the Industrial Revolution and the rapid increase in greenhouse gas emissions from human activities; however, the most noticeable warming trend has occurred in the last few decades, with the fastest rate of warming happening since the 1970s. I have noticed great changes in my short time on the planet.

I don't know of any progressive who is against maintaining the forests. So I don't know about that one. Norway does it and you don't get much more progressive than that.

As far as nuclear energy is concerned, you are right that it is clean to produce electricity, the problem is the waste, which lingers and remains hazardous for hundreds of thousands of years. I know they are working on new systems that have very little waste now, but until they come on line it's a problem. Yucca mountain is full.

I am in 100% agreement with this statement.
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".- JFK

But to try to make this into another 'both-sider-ism' is not fair. I like to consider myself a 'moderate' too. There are no moderates in the MAGA party.

 

[jimfigler]

I like the fact that EVs are not mainstream. I'd love to see them stay that way. Mine is a commuter only, the only EVSE i need is in my garage.

 

[Radar]

All the big manufactures could care less about government funding... Public charges will still be built. Ionna is an example, they are supported be all the BIG manufactures. You also have other companies moving forward as well, like TA stations, Loves, GM stations, Walmarts, Costco, Target, and Tesla among others. So who cares what the government does. We all mainly charge at home and only use Public charging when we travel. So just my opinion. I LOVE my Lightning.

 

[sotek2345]

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, and yes there have been many changes over the years, but the recent significant climate change is considered to have started around the mid-to-late 19th century, coinciding with the onset of the Industrial Revolution and the rapid increase in greenhouse gas emissions from human activities; however, the most noticeable warming trend has occurred in the last few decades, with the fastest rate of warming happening since the 1970s. I have noticed great changes in my short time on the planet.

I don't know of any progressive who is against maintaining the forests. So I don't know about that one. Norway does it and you don't get much more progressive than that.

As far as nuclear energy is concerned, you are right that it is clean to produce electricity, the problem is the waste, which lingers and remains hazardous for hundreds of thousands of years. I know they are working on new systems that have very little waste now, but until they come on line it's a problem. Yucca mountain is full.

I am in 100% agreement with this statement.
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".- JFK

But to try to make this into another 'both-sider-ism' is not fair. I like to consider myself a 'moderate' too. There are no moderates in the MAGA party.

Close, but Yucca isn't full. It was never used. Nuclear waste lasts a long time, but it is TINY! Coal plants put out more radioactive waste.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

 

[evowner]

Close, but Yucca isn't full. It was never used. Nuclear waste lasts a long time, but it is TINY! Coal plants put out more radioactive waste.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

Right, I should have said full of documents. I know about the coal issue, In a town not to far from me they were going to build a nuclear power plant, but do to many construction problems it could never get a certificate to operate as a nuclear facility, so they converted it to coal. If you want to see the effects of coal emissions just go there and talk with the residents. It is shut down now.

My father-in-law, a Nuclear Physicist, was very concerned about the waste for many reasons. He died over 40 years ago. I wish he was here so he could explain it to me again.

edit: got a correction from my wife, we have only been together for 30 years. I was pretty darn close.

 

[husky10101]

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, and yes there have been many changes over the years, but the recent significant climate change is considered to have started around the mid-to-late 19th century, coinciding with the onset of the Industrial Revolution and the rapid increase in greenhouse gas emissions from human activities; however, the most noticeable warming trend has occurred in the last few decades, with the fastest rate of warming happening since the 1970s. I have noticed great changes in my short time on the planet.

I don't know of any progressive who is against maintaining the forests. So I don't know about that one. Norway does it and you don't get much more progressive than that.

As far as nuclear energy is concerned, you are right that it is clean to produce electricity, the problem is the waste, which lingers and remains hazardous for hundreds of thousands of years. I know they are working on new systems that have very little waste now, but until they come on line it's a problem. Yucca mountain is full.

I am in 100% agreement with this statement.
"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".- JFK

But to try to make this into another 'both-sider-ism' is not fair. I like to consider myself a 'moderate' too. There are no moderates in the MAGA party.

Coming from a engineer in the field, if you put all the N waste so far in one spot, it should cover a basketball court. The space is taken up by the containment vessels.

 

[edcoble]

Nope not at all, the gov should not subside a product. Let the market decide.

The market is mindless. I prefer things like the TVA, Covid vaccines, the internet, and a few other things that would not exist but for ...the government.

 

[luebri]

The earth is 4.5 billion years old, and yes there have been many changes over the years,

I have to be honest with, this is the biggest part I struggle with about Climate concern. From my research the first rudimentary logging of global temperature started almost 200 years ago.

"Mid-19th Century (1850s–1880s): Systematic global temperature records began with land-based thermometers, particularly in Europe and North America. The data was collected manually and was limited in geographic coverage."​

If its truly been 200 years that data set is 200 / 4,500,000,000 =0.0000000444

Kind of seems like a small data set to me.

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