BYD super fast charging with an interesting market comment

[woodsman]

The community I was raised in (50’s-60’s-early 70’s) had a half dozen “gas stations” with single pump and two pump (regular and premium), a total of 10 pumps. The single pump stations were pre WW2 and typically in front of a post office-country store-old school garage. The two pump stations were Shell, Richfield, & 76.

Today we’ve ONE 16 pump independent station serving the same 10 square mile area.

Zero EV charging stations. All BEV owners charge from home.

An adjacent community 10 miles south has a similar history, evolving to three modern gas stations (Mobil, Chevron, independent) and lost 7 old school stations (garage-repair) and due to its stout hospitality infrastructure (hotel-motel-restaurant) has 18 L2 EV stations near hotel-motels.

Of note: No DCFC. None. We’re a destination 2nd home-hospitality area in general (evolved out of a fishing/shellfishing/farming/logging) thus no thru traffic, tennis shoe moms & commuters looking for BEV DCFC services. Thus L1-L2 works and it’d a heck of a lot of BEVs to justify super fast charging.

Until Seattle-Portland areas grow BEV use to some significant level (15%-25%+?), the biz model for super fast chargers not happening. Plus those two urban areas are 120-180 miles away, pretty accessible one way by most BEVs. The typical kWh charged for the L2s ($.25-$.28 per kWh) fits the destination model.

The RV & boat towing model, BEVs serving the working contractor/RV set, still out of reach IF you’re driving beyond 100 miles of towing range & want your charge now.

Yes, things will change, but very slowly in this political environment. I can remember when i was a kid on family fishing vacation in Minnesota bouncing Dads Big Buick to get more gas in it so as to make it home to Iowa. Back in the day (60s) there was no Gas Stations open on Sunday. Dad was sweating bullets, but we made it. The place we put the gas in was called Holiday, The beginning of Convenience/Gas stations.

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[FloridaMan655321]

EV requires 3-4 minutes at the start of the break to plug in and start the charging, and another 3-4 minutes at the end to disconnect and move out.

Just about every time I've stopped and charged I just plug it in and it starts up in around 30 seconds. If I need to 'start' the charger from the app, maybe 90 seconds? Disconnecting is pushing a button and disconnecting and placing the cable back on the charger, like 15 seconds?

 

[Firn]

North America is on a 240V "split-phase" system (typically 220 to 240, depending on several factors), where the step-down transformer near one's home provides 240 volt with a centre tap. The centre tap is grounded at one's service disconnect and becomes the neutral. Most circuits are line-to-neutral which provides 120 volts.

However, higher power things can get 240 volts with a line-to-line circuit, which is what Level 2 charging uses.

The issue is whether one can add a 240 volt circuit easily and economically, or simply only have Level 1 charging from a 120 volt outlet.

The difference being that in Europe the "standard" plug, the one you use for a hair dryer or even cell charger, is 220v. Hence pretty much every plug you ever come across is 220v.

 

[Calvin H-C]

Just about every time I've stopped and charged I just plug it in and it starts up in around 30 seconds. If I need to 'start' the charger from the app, maybe 90 seconds?

My example was being 'generous' for those who continue to believe that EVs waste more of one's time. Our argument only gets stronger when the reality of EV life is better than we say it is!

 

[TaxmanHog]

More bad news for BYD..... and this isn't Ai generated video ............



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