Anyone up for some light reverse engineering?

[alexose]

Hey all,

I've been exploring different approaches to tying FordPass in with home automation software. In short, I'd like to be able to control my truck without having to pull out my phone, open the clunky FordPass app, and flip through the menus to get to the options I want.

I found this codebase on GitHub that pulls the Android app functionality into an NPM module, as well as this python-based approach. Either one could be used for things like Siri shortcuts (although I'd probably gravitate towards the first one since I don't run Home Assistant).

Anyway, I'm interested in taking this a bit further and maybe writing a web frontend around it. I know there's more than a few software folks on this forum-- Anyone else have things that they want to try?

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[Pioneer74]

Good luck. The guys on the Mach-e forum played around with pulling information out of FordPass and got locked out of their accounts. Was a pain getting it unlocked too.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-use-can-disable-your-fordpass-account.13893/

 

[badger_7]

Good luck. The guys on the Mach-e forum played around with pulling information out of FordPass and got locked out of their accounts. Was a pain getting it unlocked too.

If this ever gets cleared up, I'd love to get it dockerized and see what kind of cool things could be done. I have a super cool Grafana setup for my wife's Tesla (https://github.com/adriankumpf/teslamate - not my repo) and would love to do the same, or similar, with the ol' Lightning

 

[petemill]

I've been locked out of my Ford account (can't login to app or website) for 2 weeks now because I played around with third party integrations. I've contacted them several times, got it escalated, but still locked out.

Seems Ford IT are in a strict phase right now and started locking many users out.

It sucks because they don't have a good procedure to get back in, so I can't unlock my vehicle with PaaK, I can't access my charger, etc.

The worst part is this wouldn't be an issue if the car's nav app wasn't so bad. Personally, I just wanted to use a better routing app that ties in to a third party service to use your Ford account to get data like current charge state so it can do active route planning whilst driving.

Apparently Ford is making an API but haven't properly released it yet. And I doubt it will be available to individuals. Probably only to companies who pay a lot for access. I'm guessing that's what's behind the lockout.

 

[bmwhitetx]

Either one could be used for things like Siri shortcuts (although I'd probably gravitate towards the first one since I don't run Home Assistant).

I'm not sure what sort of things you are wanting to do. I know people bag on Alexa but it can do quite a few things. And the commands can be done from any device. I am using Siri shortcuts/ automation, and IFTTT to lock my truck automatically when I turn if off and walk away.
See https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...-lock-my-work-around-for-the-lightning.13505/.

 

[alexose]

Good luck. The guys on the Mach-e forum played around with pulling information out of FordPass and got locked out of their accounts. Was a pain getting it unlocked too.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-use-can-disable-your-fordpass-account.13893/

Aw, that sucks. I was hoping Ford would be a little more lenient. Especially given how much functionality the app is missing

I guess I'll have to tread lightly for now. Maybe I'll just see what I can learn from Wireshark.

 

[alexose]

I've been locked out of my Ford account (can't login to app or website) for 2 weeks now because I played around with third party integrations. I've contacted them several times, got it escalated, but still locked out.

Seems Ford IT are in a strict phase right now and started locking many users out.

It sucks because they don't have a good procedure to get back in, so I can't unlock my vehicle with PaaK, I can't access my charger, etc.

The worst part is this wouldn't be an issue if the car's nav app wasn't so bad. Personally, I just wanted to use a better routing app that ties in to a third party service to use your Ford account to get data like current charge state so it can do active route planning whilst driving.

Apparently Ford is making an API but haven't properly released it yet. And I doubt it will be available to individuals. Probably only to companies who pay a lot for access. I'm guessing that's what's behind the lockout.

What a shame. Hope it gets resolved soon.

Ford, if you're reading this: These are the kinds of people you want using your platform!

 

[Pioneer74]

I'm not sure what sort of things you are wanting to do. I know people bag on Alexa but it can do quite a few things. And the commands can be done from any device. I am using Siri shortcuts/ automation, and IFTTT to lock my truck automatically when I turn if off and walk away.
See https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...-lock-my-work-around-for-the-lightning.13505/.

My problem with Alexa isn't what it can or cannot do. It's that it records everything you say all the time. I'd rather hit the lock button on my door handle than have it spy on me all day.

 

[boggle]

Ford is too lazy to improve FordPass UI or implement QoL improvements but has actively thrown the kitchen sink at limiting API calls to kill third-party integrations. Great to know where their priorities lie. Next they'll have the truck phone home its As-Built data and void the warranty of everyone playing with modules in FORScan.

 

[RickLightning]

Both Ford and Alexa can be set to only listen when you hit a button.

Ford has provided integrations to FordPass for approved 3rd parties, like Google. I can use Google Assistant to check my charge status, lock or unlock my doors, start the car... I don't see a need for a 3rd party other than Google at this point.

 

[petemill]

Both Ford and Alexa can be set to only listen when you hit a button.

Ford has provided integrations to FordPass for approved 3rd parties, like Google. I can use Google Assistant to check my charge status, lock or unlock my doors, start the car... I don't see a need for a 3rd party other than Google at this point.

Hardly a level playing field.

 

[regentscholar]

If this ever gets cleared up, I'd love to get it dockerized and see what kind of cool things could be done. I have a super cool Grafana setup for my wife's Tesla (https://github.com/adriankumpf/teslamate - not my repo) and would love to do the same, or similar, with the ol' Lightning

Taking delivery of my F-150 Lightning Pro in the next few days and was really hoping that something like Teslamate existed for it using the FordPass API. Have used Teslamate for years on my Teslas and love the trove of historical data collected... Have you had any luck getting any FordPass API datalogger setup with your Lightning or are such efforts still basically locked down?

 

[BennyTheBeaver]

Taking delivery of my F-150 Lightning Pro in the next few days and was really hoping that something like Teslamate existed for it using the FordPass API. Have used Teslamate for years on my Teslas and love the trove of historical data collected... Have you had any luck getting any FordPass API datalogger setup with your Lightning or are such efforts still basically locked down?

It's possible to get it working, but currently, anytime you let another app access the Ford API you are most likely going to get your FordPass account locked. It is a pain to get unlocked. Most of us have decided against using the API/IFTT intergation because of that.

 

[mr.Magoo]

My problem with Alexa isn't what it can or cannot do. It's that it records everything you say all the time. I'd rather hit the lock button on my door handle than have it spy on me all day.

I take it you're still using a flip-phone ?

 

[viennaxmas]

Home Assistant HACS has a Ford Pass Integration: https://github.com/itchannel/fordpass-ha

I have not tested it, my truck will not arrive till late July.

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