Ford’s F-150 Lightning is falling behind Tesla’s Cybertruck in deepening EV crisis

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

I doubt a lot of Ford buyers even know who the CEO is. I didn't until his name popped up in a couple articles recently. My wife drives a 2017 Explorer, so we are what I would consider a "Ford Family." Not the same at all as an Elon Fanboy.

It would be kind of hard to not know who elon musk is, since he's all over the news with spacex robotics, an ev's jim farley is never in the news, except for when there's a union dispute. People that don't pay attention to anything he does can tell you. Oh yeah, he's that rich guy that makes tesla, but you ask them, who is Jim farley, they wouldn't have a clue. People who hate Tesla know who Elon Musk is, to put them all under one blanket and call them.Fanboys is just kind of an over exaggeration. But there's no denying between spacex, robotics and tesla.He's done great things. And if you talk to a lot of Tesla owners, you'll find out some of them don't like him, or just don't care about his personality, but like the products, it has nothing to do with being a fanboy.

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[Maxx]

It would be kind of hard to not know who elon musk is, since he's all over the news with spacex robotics, an ev's jim farley is never in the news, except for when there's a union dispute. People that don't pay attention to anything he does can tell you. Oh yeah, he's that rich guy that makes tesla, but you ask them, who is Jim farley, they wouldn't have a clue. People who hate Tesla know who Elon Musk is, to put them all under one blanket and call them.Fanboys is just kind of an over exaggeration. But there's no denying between spacex, robotics and tesla.He's done great things. And if you talk to a lot of Tesla owners, you'll find out some of them don't like him, or just don't care about his personality, but like the products, it has nothing to do with being a fanboy.

Speaking of Farley, he is going to DC tomorrow to help save Ford from tariffs:
https://financialpost.com/transportation/autos/fords-warn-devastating-tariff-impact

 

[StevenC56]

Maybe it's Elonald's plan to cripple all other brands besides Tesla?

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

Maybe it's Elonald's plan to cripple all other brands besides Tesla?

So are you admitting that building more of your products parts in america is better for america?
But keep in mind all of the tesla and Elon hate was done well before the president put Elon in charge of DOGE.

 

[StevenC56]

Tariffs are not the answer. It's only going to punish the people who aren't rich and pay most of the taxes already by increasing the price of everything. Any yes, Elon wasn't liked before he became co-president, or whatever he is.

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

Tariffs are not the answer. It's only going to punish the people who aren't rich and pay most of the taxes already by increasing the price of everything. Any yes, Elon wasn't liked before he became co-president, or whatever he is.

Tariffs are a tool, not a permanent solution. Having said that, relying on the status quo does nothing but keep us stagnant. If other countries are receiving a little less profit gains then maybe they should be more fair in the trade agreements, which they have taken advantage of in the past by stupid people in charge. Our steel and electronics industry, not to mention tech, period, went away long before this decade and no one has lifted a finger to try bring it back, seriously. If there is a little pain before any gain then i'm all for seeing what happens, but to to think the country will go down in the toilet from here on out is a little much. We'll see.

 

[lipnorth]

Tariffs are not the answer. It's only going to punish the people who aren't rich and pay most of the taxes already by increasing the price of everything. Any yes, Elon wasn't liked before he became co-president, or whatever he is.

He’s extremely right-winged and increasingly dangerous. Look what hes trying to to do in Germany.

He’s morphed into one scary dude. This Elon wouldn’t have believed in Tesla.

 

[jefrank]

He’s extremely right-winged and increasingly dangerous. Look what hes trying to to do in Germany.

He’s morphed into one scary dude. This Elon wouldn’t have believed in Tesla.

IFKYK

 

[Newton]

Tariffs are a tool, not a permanent solution. Having said that, relying on the status quo does nothing but keep us stagnant. If other countries are receiving a little less profit gains then maybe they should be more fair in the trade agreements, which they have taken advantage of in the past by stupid people in charge. Our steel and electronics industry, not to mention tech, period, went away long before this decade and no one has lifted a finger to try bring it back, seriously. If there is a little pain before any gain then i'm all for seeing what happens, but to to think the country will go down in the toilet from here on out is a little much. We'll see.

Stupid people like that guy who passed the free trade agreements with Canada and Mexico?

Trump signs USMCA

Today, the President of the United States signed into law the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), initiating a new chapter in U.S. trade policy. Mexico and the United States have now passed the USMCA, and we look forward to the Canadian Parliament’s consideration of this agreement. The passage of the USMCA is a historic achievement. It is the gold standard of trade agreements. The USMCA modernizes and updates our trade relations and will promote prosperity and strengthen North American competitiveness.

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

Stupid people like that guy who passed the free trade agreements with Canada and Mexico?

Trump signs USMCA

We'll see.

 

[OCSTEVE39]

I don't know man, we were stuck in a two-mile backup today. Looked at each other and shrugged. Lightning, STILL exactly where we'd rather be.

 

[Jarratt]

I've been an automotive enthusiast since I was a young teen. Hot rodded cars and ended up working as a Service Tech for over 22 years at a GM Dealership before moving into a Service Manager position at a multi line Motorcycle Dealership for the last 18 years of my working career. Always keeping up with and enjoying advances in Technology. Purchased our 2024 Lightning Lariat September 30th last year. Decided it was time to try something besides an ICE vehicle. My wife and I are both very impressed with the EV Technology and love the truck. We're thinking a Mach E may be the replacement for her 2017 Explorer Platinum in the next year or 2. Not really any early adopter, but we're convinced this is definitely the future. Resistance is futile. I sure wish people would stop the "you can take my fossil fuel burning vehicle when you pry it from my cold dead hands" BS and just give it a chance.

FWIW, we adore our Mache after 1 yr.

The Lightning is awesome too

 

[StevenC56]

FWIW, we adore our Mache after 1 yr.

The Lightning is awesome too

We just ordered a 2025 GT!

 

[Jarratt]

We just ordered a 2025 GT!

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[No Oil HaHa]

A 200 kWh battery pack (Silverado, I’m looking at you) doesn’t make sense for most people’s use cases, though of course it does for some.

There are a lot of pick up trucks used in California agriculture and most wouldn’t dream of making the switch with anything below a 200kw. Battery size is a much bigger complaint among my peers than any perceived EV hatred.

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