Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[sotek2345]

"Gas-guzzling EV" -- whoever said that in an earlier thread, that's spot on. I love my Lightning, and yeah I only use my bed for skis and sometimes a trash haul. Going downtown and trying to park is a PITA, so I steal my wife's car for that.

And while I love driving this amazing, big, rocket-ship... the Porsche EVs are looking better and better, especially as Ford keeps reminding me that I'm no longer their ideal customer. And I have ZERO interest in a gas-guzzling EV (not EREV, it's GGEV!), that kinda defeats the purpose, right?

Anybody looking to buy a 22-Lightning? There are a few very nice used Taycan's I have my eye on. And yes I know about their issues, but hey, it's a Porsche, and they take care of their customers...

The Taycan's are VERY nice, but take a look at the used prices on the Audi E-tron GT (same car, different body), I couldn't believe how cheap they were!

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[ctuan13]

I assume they are referring to the Y2K38 "unix epoch rollover" in 32 bit computer systems. Think Y2K fears from 1999 but somewhat more likely to actually have issues, instead of being mostly overblown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Ahhhh that's what I was thinking it might be referring to, but I wasn't sure. Wait so we can confirm that the Lightning's systems are 32 bit?

 

[ka-chow]

After coming out of the other side of frustration with Ford. Building this amazing truck and then dropping it like hot, flaming poo - is the service we get for 10 years. Dealers already struggled with this truck and it’s not gonna get better now. I don’t believe we can trust Ford anymore and I can’t shake that feeling. I have an automobile with a lot of warranty left and now it feels like that warranty will be meaningless. I love my truck but it feels like Ford just gathered us all up and pushed us and our trucks off a cliff, to be forgotten.

 

[chriserx]

I assume they are referring to the Y2K38 "unix epoch rollover" in 32 bit computer systems. Think Y2K fears from 1999 but somewhat more likely to actually have issues, instead of being mostly overblown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

This actually could be an issue, especially if the truck syncs time to GPS time depending how rollover is handled.
As examples:
Truck displayed date would be wrong, big whoop.
GPS no longer operates, not likely but still in the realm of possibility.
Security certificates would presumably be invalid since the truck's date would be set before the origination date. This is my biggest concern as at worst it could brick the truck, or disable FDRS access. Presumably the modules communicate securely with the gateway module, and the most likely way is through certificates.
GPS epoch and Unix epoch are both in 2038 but in different months. It'll definitely be an interesting ride.

All this being said, QNX is supposed to be capable of handling the transition at the kernel level, but only time will tell.

 

[gbuydos]

After coming out of the other side of frustration with Ford. Building this amazing truck and then dropping it like hot, flaming poo - is the service we get for 10 years. Dealers already struggled with this truck and it’s not gonna get better now. I don’t believe we can trust Ford anymore and I can’t shake that feeling. I have an automobile with a lot of warranty left and now it feels like that warranty will be meaningless. I love my truck but it feels like Ford just gathered us all up and pushed us and our trucks off a cliff, to be forgotten.

Why do you think General Motors crushed all the EV1s.

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

but only time will tell

 

[nanohead]

It’s not the US. It’s the market. Unfortunately at this time people don’t want EVs in mass. I like the idea of letting the market decide. When the prices are right, and the time to charge shortens and you can tow a decent distance I think lots more people will go that way. I love my 23 ER. I won’t be getting rid of it anytime soon. In fact I don’t think I’d go back to a ICE vehicle. But there are others that think differently. The problem was we were creating a false market by incentivizing people to buy one using tax dollars. Believe we all pay for it. That money does not come out of thin air. The market will correct and we will see what comes of it.

Incredibly rational and all true. Not sure where all the hysteria comes from regarding this announcement. Models get introduced and cancelled all the time from every automaker. I'm not insulted or hurt that the Lightning is cancelled. Also love our 23ER, but had also put a deposit on a Ram Charger, as I have come to despise public charging with a passion. Having a full size pickup is great, but if you can't actually get anywhere without tons of drama (ie the public charging debacle), well, its a challenge.

So will wait and see what the new iteration of the electrified F150 will look like. If a manufacturer comes out with a mid size hybridish pickup, maybe we'll go for it.

We were fortunate too.... we have a Mach E as well as Lightning and were able to get both the federal as well as state incentives for both. I would have bought them regardless (especially the Mach E).

I also don't think the slack demand for EVs is solely based on the tax incentives, as they've run out for many manufacturers in the US already. Demand is falling all over the world for lots of reasons.... I know many people who are EV curious always ask about charging, and most of them know its a trainwreck. And this is not just a US problem, its a world problem.

 

[Landscaper]

Incredibly rational and all true. Not sure where all the hysteria comes from regarding this announcement. Models get introduced and cancelled all the time from every automaker. I'm not insulted or hurt that the Lightning is cancelled. Also love our 23ER, but had also put a deposit on a Ram Charger, as I have come to despise public charging with a passion. Having a full size pickup is great, but if you can't actually get anywhere without tons of drama (ie the public charging debacle), well, its a challenge.

So will wait and see what the new iteration of the electrified F150 will look like. If a manufacturer comes out with a mid size hybridish pickup, maybe we'll go for it.

We were fortunate too.... we have a Mach E as well as Lightning and were able to get both the federal as well as state incentives for both. I would have bought them regardless (especially the Mach E).

I also don't think the slack demand for EVs is solely based on the tax incentives, as they've run out for many manufacturers in the US already. Demand is falling all over the world for lots of reasons.... I know many people who are EV curious always ask about charging, and most of them know its a trainwreck. And this is not just a US problem, its a world problem.

Exactly right. Models from all manufacturers get killed off regularly and the sky never falls. Warranties stay in place, values don’t crater and parts are available for many years to come. And yes EV demand growth is often stalling elsewhere too for various reasons…many of which are the same reasons as here.

Models killed in 2025 alone. Including some EVs like the Acura ZDX:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g62567691/dead-cars-trucks-2025/

 

[NW Ontario Ford Lightning]

Exactly. So you’re indeed validating my point. The “rest of the world” isn’t anywhere close to 100% as was said earlier.

Correct - there is no nation at 100% EV fleet. Even the countries with "95% of new car sales are EV's" generally gloss over the 70% of the active on the road vehicles remain ICE, and it will take a long time to fully replace ICE with EV's even with the very high EV sales in say Norway.
A search shows:
30% of cars on the road today in Norway are EV's, expected to hit 33% by end of 2025.
New car sales are 95% EV's
New Car sales in Norway are approximately 5% of the fleet each year.
At current projections Norway will not be 100% EV for about 15 more years, ie 2040.

If you study the transition from sail to steam, from coal to oil, from horses to cars, from wood and coal buring to natural gas use, and now heat pumps... there is a typical pattern and it takes longer than you expect ,upwards of 70 years for a change to dominate. In all cases it seems the new technology has to achieve Price Parity with the old one before things really take off.

 

[Landscaper]

Correct - there is no nation at 100% EV fleet. Even the countries with "95% of new car sales are EV's" generally gloss over the 70% of the active on the road vehicles remain ICE, and it will take a long time to fully replace ICE with EV's even with the very high EV sales in say Norway.
A search shows:
30% of cars on the road today in Norway are EV's, expected to hit 33% by end of 2025.
New car sales are 95% EV's
New Car sales in Norway are approximately 5% of the fleet each year.
At current projections Norway will not be 100% EV for about 15 more years, ie 2040.

Yep

 

[LariatLarry]

hey guys, I haven’t been able to read all 42 pages here. I’m in the disappointed category.

Wondering what’s going on with all the other 100% electric trucks? Are they on a similar trajectory, or is it only a Ford-Lightning problem?

I’m hoping that I’ll be driving my 24 lariat for the next 10-15 yrs, love it.

 

[Pitbull2o08]

Only U.S. for now. Checking with Canadian colleagues.

Please address the HIS issues (third time asking in this thread)

 

[PJnc284]

Please address the HIS issues (third time asking in this thread)

Considering how it's gone so far, I wouldn't have high hopes for the future.

 

[Scorpio3d]

Am I crazy or can someone correct me if I'm wrong...?​

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As far as I understand EREVs, the generator charging the battery is literally only used to charge the battery - as in it cannot be used to move the vehicle or provide any other traditional engine functions... right?​

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If this is the case, why are so many hung up on maintenance?​

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From my possibly related experience with an actual generator used to power my house in an outage - the only maintenance has been changing the oil, filters and new spark plugs...and this thing is almost 30 years old...and has seen zero professional servicing lol.​

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I get not being pure BEV is a bummer (I'm disappointed too) but I don't think an EREV will be the stealership maintenance monster people are making it out to be...​

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Ford has made a ton of unforced errors with the Lightning for sure, but I'm interested in seeing where this goes. I just hope they've taken ALL the feedback from the Lightning to heart​

You are not wrong in part one!
Being hung up on maintenance at least for me it is because with the current iteration of the Ford lightning, there is virtually no maintenance at all!!!
I have done my own oil changes and 99% of the other maintenance for my and my children’s vehicles for longer than you’ve owned your generator and it’s just such a PITA versus not having any!
Just my two cents!

 

[Shmoe]

Correct - there is no nation at 100% EV fleet. Even the countries with "95% of new car sales are EV's" generally gloss over the 70% of the active on the road vehicles remain ICE, and it will take a long time to fully replace ICE with EV's even with the very high EV sales in say Norway.
A search shows:
30% of cars on the road today in Norway are EV's, expected to hit 33% by end of 2025.
New car sales are 95% EV's
New Car sales in Norway are approximately 5% of the fleet each year.
At current projections Norway will not be 100% EV for about 15 more years, ie 2040.

If you study the transition from sail to steam, from coal to oil, from horses to cars, from wood and coal buring to natural gas use, and now heat pumps... there is a typical pattern and it takes longer than you expect ,upwards of 70 years for a change to dominate. In all cases it seems the new technology has to achieve Price Parity with the old one before things really take off.

Has anyone said anything other than the United States is lagging sorely behind the rest of the world? The statement stands, and is still true.

Where it will take them 15 more years, we're on track for half a century or more of "no take my vroom vroom".

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