Would You Buy A Lightning Again?

[zinkscott]

Everytime I get to accelerate I get as excited as the first time; I love driving the truck. I like driving around a big battery power supply everywhere I go and having it when the power goes out. This is my 3rd Ford and I think it will be my last as I’m tired of dealing with stupid things like constant CSP updates, 6+ months for replacement modules that fry themselves, not pushing out the big OTA updates due to incompetence and support being overall useless. I wouldn’t feel comfortable owning this truck if it wasn’t under warranty.
EDIT: Forgot to answer the question. Yes, if it wasn’t a Ford

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[TaxmanHog]

Well, THANK YOU to all of you for the feedback and positive reinforcement!
A 2024 Antimatter Blue Flash came home tonight, and a 2024 Avalanche Flash followed me home… my son bought one, too. We are both so excited. I realize what I’ve been missing since my 2022.
I REALLY appreciate all of your help and support. Looking forward to many travels and hanging here again.
Now, looking into to piggyback Wallbox Pulsar units.

Congrat's to you & your son, hope you have many no-problem miles.

 

[Smokewagun]

Thank you!

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Thank you!

They make the perfect pair! Thank you for sharing, Bob.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

I bought 2023 Lightning Platinum (320 Mile range) absolutely loaded with every possible option with hefty incentives. $95K truck for $75K and I am absolutely loving it. I had tested Hummer, Rivian and Cybertruck and I am so glad I bought my truck. It is the best vehicle I ever had and I had everything from Porsche, S500, BMW 7 series, Lexus, etc. I'd buy one for my wife too but she prefers her little Chevy Bolt and she's happy with it too.

That's great to hear! Thank you for being part of the Ford Family.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

My F150 Lighting is my 3rd F150 (2003 XLT, 2015 XLT and 2023 Lightning ER) and the best one by far. If I outlive it I'll get another one. I kept my 2015 that I use occasionally for hauling off trash etc. but my go to is the Lightning.

We're happy to hear that. We'd love to see a pic of your Lightning!

 

[Deleted member 19104]

They make the perfect pair! Thank you for sharing, Bob.

Hey @Ford Motor Company, stop only commenting on how great our trucks look. Why don’t you address the complaints and offer some substantive information to keep your customers informed rather than always speculating. You could answer all of these gripes but choose not to. Every time I see your replies like this, it further confirms my belief of how disingenuous your service is.

 

[rhscnative]

Sure - Thanks for making such a great truck.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Sure - Thanks for making such a great truck.

Beautiful! We're thrilled to hear you're loving your Lightning, Gil.

 

[Electric Messiah]

Yup-- though may not need to the way the "Grey Ghost" effortlessly haunts highways and byways, and is practical to boo-t.

 

[Storm Breaker]

I would not buy another Lightning. This was my first Ford. It is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Probably wont buy another Ford every again either. I will keep this truck until the battery warranty is up and hopefully Toyota has an electric Tundra by then. I had zero issues with every other vehicle I've owned until now. Ford isn't a tech company, I know, but I'm just tired of always having to hope and pray everyday that it works. I've been late several times because it decides to not boot up properly. Karaoke shouldn't be the priority. FCSP half ass works. App crashes almost daily. Truck freezes randomly. No thanks. I'm done.

 

[bot2600]

I love my truck but I would buy a Silverado or Sierra instead.

This. I love my lightning but that range on the silverado would win out if I were buying new again

 

[Smokewagun]

At $100k, no GM would’ve won me over. I’m a peon.

 

[invertedspear]

Well stated, you must be my virtual twin, I have stock in both companies and have CT that sitting in the configuration inbox. Ford just had a product first. I wish they had adopted the Tesla OS, then the transition would have been so easy.
things I love about the Lightning:
1. Stealth EV (not a Tesla CT freak)
2. Airplay
3. Silence (no rattles, no wind noise)
4. Sunroof, Steering wheel and turn signal stalks. Tesla's de minimus view of tactical controls got freaking ridiculous, so I abandoned the option to buy my 4th Model S.
5. Waze in dash
6. Frunk and integrated cooler
7. interior volume crushes both my old S and X
8. Ride comfort
9. Utility and onboard power
10. Plethora of aftermarket accessories.

Things I would improve or consider:
1. Adopt the Tesla OS
2. range 400+ miles and performance increases as you move up the trim stack
3. NACS integrated charging and Tesla faster charging architecture.
4. Adopt the Tesla App
5. HEPA Cabin filter (miss that on my Tesla)
6. 20 inch wheels on Platinum with better EV low rolling resistance tires.
7. Fog lights
8. Better quality leather
9. front hitch
10. A Raptor Lightning or a performance model Lightning.

BTUF, this truck would have hit it out of the park if it had the Tesla OS and Battery Architecture. The Ford OS reminds me of my old Blackberry

Does Tesla make their OS and app available to any other OEMs? It doesn’t really matter since Ford’s system is distributed micro controllers instead of Tesla’s central computer, the Tesla OS would be pretty incompatible. Any layer of translation/abstraction would make it super laggy.

 

[invertedspear]

That might help explain why they lose so much money on every EV they sell. Sounds like they should take advantage of the Tesla open source patents, it looks like Ford followed suit and made their EV patents open source as well.

The idea that Ford loses money on every EV is an accounting myth that factors in things like one time fixed costs of building and expanding factories. Ford knows how business works, they don’t have seed money, they aren’t taking a loss to start up. There is profit per car compared to parts and labor of assembly or else they would be shuttering their EV assembly lines instead of just taking a pause due to demand waning.

Not all software is compatible. Tesla hardware is designed around central control, Ford is designed around distributed control. Taking advantage of anything Tesla offers on open source would require a huge abstraction layer in order to communicate with the dozens (hundreds?) of micro controllers throughout the truck. There’s a huge cost to that, not to mention a ton of opportunities to introduce bugs. The UI would be a hell of a lot better at least.

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