Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[KSkel]

I’m gonna guess the generator will be the 2.7 ecoboost, 27gal tank and 60-65kw battery. Ford is watching what Stellantis is doing with the Ram 1500 Rev

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[KSkel]

The upside will be the Pro Power Onboard and how long you can power “things”. (Like the current F150 Hybrid 3.5 Powerboost) but also seems redundant

 

[Danface]

Great questions. I will find answers (if I can) and get back to the group.

 

[KSkel]

Oh I just realized, this will kill 2 vehicles, the F150 hybrid and Lightning.

 

[LifeAsDane]

Im trying to catch up on all the replies only 5 pages in so far... but is anyone else excited for the jailbreak/mods and possible future changes you could theoretically do to these lightnings...
once your out of service and drive it till the end (research over the past year has talked about the minimal battery degradation reports on lithium batteries).
Potential to upgrade the batteries as the tech evolves quickly.
Just trying to be positive. I truly feel this will add value/interest to these trucks over time. They will not just rot away.
Funny to think the original Lightning SVT 1st gen only lasted 3yrs as well

 

[Danface]

Im trying to catch up on all the replies only 5 pages in so far... but is anyone else excited for the jailbreak/mods and possible future changes you could theoretically do to these lightnings...
once your out of service and drive it till the end (research over the past year has talked about the minimal battery degradation reports on lithium batteries).
Potential to upgrade the batteries as the tech evolves quickly.
Just trying to be positive. I truly feel this will add value/interest to these trucks over time. They will not just rot away.
Funny to think the original Lightning SVT 1st gen only lasted 3yrs as well

There's a grant that's hooking my truck to the grid so yeah, at the very worst, it can be a really big battery that feeds the grid and pays me too!

 

[jsamp17]

Thinking about this for a day I can see how this could be a nice bridge, especially if its designed with modularity in mind (which Im sure it is). The electric motor technology stays...the inverter technology stays...the battery technology stays (if not reduced). Ford still gets to work on and improve these technologies.

I think it makes sense...they can continue to learn and play in the EV space while opening the market up by adding the generator.

Similar to how people talk about how quickly Iran can build a bomb. Ford will have a really small "breakout" time to build a full BEV again when the time and battery technology is right. They will probably be able to turn on a dime.

 

[Maineiac12]

So much doom and gloom in this thread…

I get it. I’m disappointed too. But look at the sales figures. Ford is a publicly traded company and can only lose money for so long before they have to do something. It wasn’t as popular as they’d hoped. We’re the vocal minority here on the forum.

I take solace in the fact that the Lightning will continue to live on as an EV. Yes, an EREV is still an EV - not a plug-in hybrid.

Plus, Ford isn’t abandoning EVs… a new BEV truck is coming and the MachE lives on.

We don’t know all the details about what the 2027? 2028? Lightning will be so maybe we should reserve judgement until we have the details?

 

[evowner]

As someone with a degree in meteorology/climatology who has been studying weather and climate for 40 years, all I have to say to this is that if you're that gullible I've got some ocean front property in Kansas I'll make you a KILLER deal on.

Interesting. I know dozens of scientists who are now former and a couple of meteorologists and they tell me that climate change is real and that we are the cause of it. I will go with the smart people I know for my knowledge.

I had a friend that has a degree in Aerospace Engineering. But he still thinks that the 2020 election was stolen. Just because you have a degree does not make you automatically smart.

 

[All-Terrain]

By the time they spin up the EREV and develop a market for them batteries and the EV consumer will have advanced enough to make them obsolete.

 

[evowner]

You mean like what us libtards want, a government that works for everyone ... It looks like that ain't happening!

Hey who you callin a libtard? Ohh I see yourself, I guess that's OK.

 

[EV Engineer]

30 pages wow.

Amazingly ---my truck still started this morning. No issues.


This feels like the engineering team and the sales team are at a crossroads. And ultimately sales matter.


F150 Lightning EV is a well engineered truck. It does 95% of what it needs to very well. I wish it was a little more affordable initially but now it seems to have reached parity with ICE.

The trouble is sales. People can't be convinced to go completely BEV. Doesn't mean it's a bad vehicle. But it's pretty clear people aren't buying the drivetrain.

Ford thinks EREV will sell more. I hope it does. We just need more electric miles everyday. However we get there.


EREV sounds incredibly complicated for what I need. I also think most ICE F150 users will just find it all a bit too complicated. I suppose FORD has data that it will sell.

I'm not worried about my truck. It'll last 15 years with some TLC.

I think Ford is making the right long-term call. Midsize trucks can probably get away with BEV only. The everyday truck errands etc. Large towing it's just too much energy requirements.

An EREV F150 is probably going to outcompete an F250 in towing capacity. This technology will probably scale to their super duty market.

This all probably makes sense from a physics standpoint.

I'm glad though I get a full size truck 100% BEV.

 

[davehu]

Ford is so far behind the times. That is the answer, better charging. It is insane to me how far ahead Kia/Hyundai is in charging speed than Ford and others.

kia/hyundai don't make pickup trucks. PU's are unique in demands for towing and hauling requiring which reduced efficiency and impacts range significantly. I understand and agree with their decision. My Lightning will meet my needs for at least the next 10 -15 years.

 

[evowner]

That is the reality from the current administration. You are completely forgetting what China is doing and the infrastructure they have in place because the government INVESTED in the tech.

So imagine if we took the AI boom that we are having now and use some of that towards charging infrastructure, better battery structures, back to the American people that would be. Biden invested in the american infrastructure...you know for the american people.

But look at the economy now that people voted for. inflation, higher prices, tarriffs....all in one year. All that winning.

If a product needs to be subsidized by the Gov't, it will fail.

That is just not true. The government 'subsidizes' businesses all the time. Just look at the farmers. They subsidized High Efficiency HVAC products for many years. Hedging to slow the inevitable results of carbon based fuel is smart not risky.

 

[The Weatherman]

I am not sure what to say other than Mr. Farley appears to be a very weak leader, who has been unable to improve vehicle quality, and who flips flops strategy and execution in response to the slightest shift in the direction of the wind.

Most obvious is how he choreographs his future failures now so he doesn’t have to take accountability later - instead he can point the finger. I have been listening to him for three years now, and he does a brilliant job of preparing everyone for upcoming failure [ “Chinese car companies are better”, “we are being forced to make non-gas cars”]

It was Ford’s decision years ago to stop making affordable cars (EVs were barely on the radar).

It was Ford’s decision to globalize supply chain, and in the case of aluminum, to be practically sole sourced.

It was Ford’s decision to announce a $40k Lightning and then sell only builds at $70k and up for a long time.

I strongly believe Jim is short lived for his position.

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