Important Update: Ford EV Roadmap & Future of F-150 Lightning (EREV Next Gen Model) - ⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS

[02Reaper]

I keep hearing the word "AFFORDABLE", but even gasoline trucks aren't affordable anymore. Whats the auto industries fix for this? Stretching out the loans for longer....Not making vehicles cheaper. 30k ev's in a few years when you can't produce one now? Bullshit...Rolling back emission standards is just an idea. No manufacturer is going to do it, because the next administration that comes in can just turn that right back around, so there's no money saved there.



Same old tactic as a few years ago and don't think it wont continue to go on.

So you're telling me Ford is going to produce a more complicated vehicle, made in America, that fills the gap, and is cheaper to buy, and something they can make profit on several years down the road? Yeah right.

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[NW Ontario Ford Lightning]

The rest of the world has gone 100% EV?! fantasyland

Norway - often quoted for their high 95% of new car sales are now EV's - but a deeper dive shows EV's are maybe 30% of the actual cars on the road, and we all know Norway is a small population.
China - often quoted for their 45% of new car sales are now EV's in a much bigger population, but overall mix reports EV account for 10% of the actual driving fleet - at 38 million EV's on the road.

So we can imagine, even in places with high % of new car sales being EV's it still takes a long time to replace the existing fleet of cars on the roads, even with very high adoption rates for EV's.

I recall an interesting quote: "The stone age didn't end becase they ran out of stones"
For a new technology to take over it needs to be better, faster cheaper, more convenient ... it took a long time for steam ships to replace sail.

 

[PJnc284]

I keep hearing the word "AFFORDABLE", but even gasoline trucks aren't affordable anymore. Whats the auto industries fix for this? Stretching out the loans for longer....Not making vehicles cheaper. 30k ev's in a few years when you can't produce one now? Bullshit...Rolling back emission standards is just an idea. No manufacturer is going to do it, because the next administration that comes in can just turn that right back around, so there's no money saved there.

30 year car loans and 50 year mortgages

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Norway - often quoted for their high 95% of new car sales are now EV's - but a deeper dive shows EV's are maybe 30% of the actual cars on the road, and we all know Norway is a small population.
China - often quoted for their 45% of new car sales are now EV's in a much bigger population, but overall mix reports EV account for 10% of the actual driving fleet - at 38 million EV's on the road.

So we can imagine, even in places with high % of new car sales being EV's it still takes a long time to replace the existing fleet of cars on the roads, even with very high adoption rates for EV's.

I recall an interesting quote: "The stone age didn't end becase they ran out of stones"
For a new technology to take over it needs to be better, faster cheaper, more convenient ... it took a long time for steam ships to replace sail.

Exactly. So you’re indeed validating my point. The “rest of the world” isn’t anywhere close to 100% as was said earlier.

 

[Texas Dan]

Looks like I’m going to be abandoned Ford products for at the foreseeable future but this won’t be the first time. I bought four Fords in a row; a Fusion hybrid, Fusion PHEV and two Focus BEVs. But then I bought a 2nd Gen Nissan Leaf and a Kia Niro EV because Ford was not keeping up with EV technology.

By the time Ford catches up to EV technology again there is probably going to be some very stiff competition from manufacturers that have no plans to abandon EVs.

 

[G-Zeus]

"Gas-guzzling EV" -- whoever said that in an earlier thread, that's spot on. I love my Lightning, and yeah I only use my bed for skis and sometimes a trash haul. Going downtown and trying to park is a PITA, so I steal my wife's car for that.

And while I love driving this amazing, big, rocket-ship... the Porsche EVs are looking better and better, especially as Ford keeps reminding me that I'm no longer their ideal customer. And I have ZERO interest in a gas-guzzling EV (not EREV, it's GGEV!), that kinda defeats the purpose, right?

Anybody looking to buy a 22-Lightning? There are a few very nice used Taycan's I have my eye on. And yes I know about their issues, but hey, it's a Porsche, and they take care of their customers...

 

[Pitbull2o08]

Still no word on what Ford plans to do to remedy the Home Integration System upon the discontinuation of the Lightning EV. For all the time you've been on the forum, Brian, you still haven't been able to produce an official Ford answer or explain why you can't, in spite of repeated queries and laments from HIS owners. In Ford we trust .... -you want us to believe?

Given the smaller battery likely in an EREV, I don't imagine it's going to provide "Whole Home Backup," and I suspect the Home Integration System will be orphaned along with the Lightning EV. Anything to say about that?

@Ford Motor Company please address this

 

[Daragh]

Sad truth is that all legacy auto manufactures have a bail out position to fall back on the gas models, lots of legacy cost build with it. With a change of administration again in the future, do we see Farley standing behind President Newson clapping hard for more EV's. Around, around it goes, while China brings out more affordable cars with better tech. It's time to stop protecting the likes of Ford, take the tariffs down to zero on China and make them compete. Too much money for the executives and not enough on a nimble manufacturing processes.
I have two Ford EV's, one leased and one owned. I wish both were leased so that at the end, I would just return them. My next car will be either a Tesla or a Chinese EV, I am done with the legacy car brands. My only hope is that Ford keeps up with software updates on my Lightning so I can drive it till it is no longer working.

Ford failed miserably with software updates while the Lightnings were on the road map, can’t imagine it will get any better now the lightning is off the road map, I expect even less software support. Truth is legacy car manufacturers are too entrenched in their own over hyped capabilities to be able to evolve as is needed.

Anyhow, I won’t be buying a hybrid vehicle ever! They can give it a new acronym (EREV) all they want, it’s a hybrid! It has two mechanisms to create energy that’s hybrid! One of my primary reasons for getting an EV was not having to pay the stealerships the criminal maintenance fees they charge, plus I no longer have a need for long range towing. I’ll keep my lightning until it gets too expensive to keep it! My next purchase will be an another Diesel truck either an F-250 or a Chevy 2500. Only ever had Ford trucks so maybe it’s time for a change when the time comes to buy a new truck!

To each their own, enjoy your vehicle(s) be they ICE, EV OR Hybrid.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Beats the hell out of the universal mess the last admin left us in. My 401k is proof of that with a year to date 10% increase.

Kidding aside I would review your 401-k investment options if I were you. That’s probably about half of where you should be this year, and the last 3 years for that matter, unless you’re deliberately keeping it fairly conservative… which may well be the case.

 

[RickLightning]

My 401k is proof of that with a year to date 10% increase.

You clearly need to read your statements more carefully, or look at past ones and compare the numbers.

Since January 20, 2025, the S&P is up 11.11%.
Last year, 2024, it was up 23.31%.
In school, I learned that 23 is bigger than 15.

In 2023, it was up 24.23%. In 2022 it was down 19.44%, but up 26.89% the prior year.

A simple Google search will provide a website that provides stock market returns by office holder. https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

But please don't post them here, because as you know, politics is not allowed.

 

[RLXXI]

Beats the hell out of the universal mess the last admin left us in. My 401k is proof of that with a year to date 10% increase.

Kidding aside I would review your 401-k investment options if I were you. That’s probably about half of where you should be this year, and the last 3 years for that matter, unless you’re deliberately keeping it fairly conservative… which may well be the case.

Yep conservative, last I looked was 3 months ago so the figure is likely higher but again, It's very conservative. Point being its gaining instead of losing.

 

[RLXXI]

You clearly need to read your statements more carefully, or look at past ones and compare the numbers.

Since January 20, 2025, the S&P is up 11.11%.
Last year, 2024, it was up 23.31%.
In school, I learned that 23 is bigger than 15.

In 2023, it was up 24.23%. In 2022 it was down 19.44%, but up 26.89% the prior year.

A simple Google search will provide a website that provides stock market returns by office holder. https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

But please don't post them here, because as you know, politics is not allowed.

Too close to retirement to play aggressive like I use to.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Yep conservative, last I looked was 3 months ago so the figure is likely higher but again, It's very conservative. Point being its gaining instead of losing.

But gaining less than 2 years prior. Leaving a lot of money on the table. If you’re retired and older then I get it. To each his own

 

[gbuydos]

You clearly need to read your statements more carefully, or look at past ones and compare the numbers.

Since January 20, 2025, the S&P is up 11.11%.
Last year, 2024, it was up 23.31%.
In school, I learned that 23 is bigger than 15.

In 2023, it was up 24.23%. In 2022 it was down 19.44%, but up 26.89% the prior year.

A simple Google search will provide a website that provides stock market returns by office holder. https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

But please don't post them here, because as you know, politics is not allowed.

This graph shows the picture:

 

[RickLightning]

Too close to retirement to play aggressive like I use to.

One of the challenges is adjusting your portfolio as you move closer to retirement. A general recommendation is to be at around 70% stock / 30% bond (all low cost index mutual funds) and then move more to 30/70 in retirement. There are many problems with that:

- The bond market has lost value in the past few years, although returns are up due to higher interest.
- The bigger a number gets, the more an increase (or decrease) impacts your portfolio. If you're 70/30 and the market goes up 10%, you make a lot more in dollars than if you're 30/70. You can't spend percentages anywhere, only dollars.

The average annual return of the S&P 500 as of 11/30 is 14.63%. Cumulative 10 year return is 291.75%.

We retired 4.5 years ago. One thing I did a year ago was move a few years of spending into cash - specifically Vanguard US Treasury Money Market, which is state tax exempt. This sheltered the funds from ANY volatility (except interest rates going down), whether in stock or bond prices. This removed the reality that the market swings for illogical reasons, and that certain individuals that say things in public, and then reverse themselves days later, impact the market and jerk our returns around. Now, no matter who says what, I'm good for a few years.

I also invested in EVs, buying a Mach-E and Lightning. That investment is, well, really, umm, ....

However, my Lightning T-Shirts are now fine collectibles, $50 each.

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