Telematics locked - does this mean my ‘24 Flash is enrolled as a fleet vehicle?

[Heliian]

That said, if the Blue Cruise code is out there somewhere

It's unlikely that there is a permanent enabling of bc without paying for it.
It requires external communications to stay functional. I think Ford would be very quick to shut it down if it was out there.

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[bc1]

It's unlikely that there is a permanent enabling of bc without paying for it.
It requires external communications to stay functional. I think Ford would be very quick to shut it down if it was out there.

And if so, then Ford shouldn't be worried about it if they check your license in the code before every pair up going down the interstate or before every update. No problemo. No reason for Ford to have Alfonse send Rocco and Knuckles to follow a guy around after coffee all day.

Also I just automatically assumed that some old, crummy, problematic, software that doesn't work right half the time and begins with "FOR" was developed by Ford engineers. My mistake.

On the other hand, maybe everyone should get a Range Rover or Range Rover Sport and hack away.

 

[ZSC100]

It's unlikely that there is a permanent enabling of bc without paying for it.
It requires external communications to stay functional. I think Ford would be very quick to shut it down if it was out there.

Just like all configuration changes Ford "interrogates" the truck occasionally and can know (if they cared) that anyone has made a change to any configuration on any module. They don't seem to care thank goodness and I honestly think that part of the reason is they can barely keep the trucks they sell working and out of the warranty shop as is, can you imagine if they started trying to police 30+ modules configurations of every vehicle sold via OTA. It would be a nightmare and I almost guarantee they would break more shit than than the cost they would loose for the few owners they would just certainly piss off.

I, as an engineer of all things both software and hardware have always operated by the idea that if the hardware and software exists within something I physically own. Then I have no ethical issues with doing whatever hacking/reverse engineering/tinkering it takes to make it work. We know that the exact same IPMA for ADAS is used on ALL trucks (all trims). So, that means that every pro and XLT out there has the full BC software on it. This is why Ford tries to nerf certain features based on omitting key pieces of hardware. A simple instance of this is you can't have ACC without the forward looking radar module, but the IPMA is there and ready with the software as soon as it sees the module. So, Ford can ethically claim the truck can't have ACC b/c it doesn't have the radar. If the owner buys a radar and installs it then Ford has no issue with them turning on ACC in the configuration, they're not going to help or promote this of course.

It will likely move more and more this way even with the nodal or hybrid-nodal architecture. Ford will sell you physical hardware (b/c that's what they do). You will always be able to tweak/modify the things they have already programmed in that are tweakable, which are known as "configuration". Sure Ford would like for ONLY their engineers and certified mechanics to change these things, but the money they lose by letting the tech savvy owners play around with configurations and hardware additions is likely negligable; and defintiely negligable compared to the operation and reputation damage they would suffer if they tried to police it.

 

[Ted23Lightning]

Just like all configuration changes Ford "interrogates" the truck occasionally and can know (if they cared) that anyone has made a change to any configuration on any module. They don't seem to care thank goodness and I honestly think that part of the reason is they can barely keep the trucks they sell working and out of the warranty shop as is, can you imagine if they started trying to police 30+ modules configurations of every vehicle sold via OTA. It would be a nightmare and I almost guarantee they would break more shit than than the cost they would loose for the few owners they would just certainly piss off.

I, as an engineer of all things both software and hardware have always operated by the idea that if the hardware and software exists within something I physically own. Then I have no ethical issues with doing whatever hacking/reverse engineering/tinkering it takes to make it work. We know that the exact same IPMA for ADAS is used on ALL trucks (all trims). So, that means that every pro and XLT out there has the full BC software on it. This is why Ford tries to nerf certain features based on omitting key pieces of hardware. A simple instance of this is you can't have ACC without the forward looking radar module, but the IPMA is there and ready with the software as soon as it sees the module. So, Ford can ethically claim the truck can't have ACC b/c it doesn't have the radar. If the owner buys a radar and installs it then Ford has no issue with them turning on ACC in the configuration, they're not going to help or promote this of course.

It will likely move more and more this way even with the nodal or hybrid-nodal architecture. Ford will sell you physical hardware (b/c that's what they do). You will always be able to tweak/modify the things they have already programmed in that are tweakable, which are known as "configuration". Sure Ford would like for ONLY their engineers and certified mechanics to change these things, but the money they lose by letting the tech savvy owners play around with configurations and hardware additions is likely negligable; and defintiely negligable compared to the operation and reputation damage they would suffer if they tried to police it.

Agreed.

 

[bc1]

Just like all configuration changes Ford "interrogates" the truck occasionally and can know (if they cared) that anyone has made a change to any configuration on any module. They don't seem to care thank goodness and I honestly think that part of the reason is they can barely keep the trucks they sell working and out of the warranty shop as is, can you imagine if they started trying to police 30+ modules configurations of every vehicle sold via OTA. It would be a nightmare and I almost guarantee they would break more shit than than the cost they would loose for the few owners they would just certainly piss off.

I, as an engineer of all things both software and hardware have always operated by the idea that if the hardware and software exists within something I physically own. Then I have no ethical issues with doing whatever hacking/reverse engineering/tinkering it takes to make it work. We know that the exact same IPMA for ADAS is used on ALL trucks (all trims). So, that means that every pro and XLT out there has the full BC software on it. This is why Ford tries to nerf certain features based on omitting key pieces of hardware. A simple instance of this is you can't have ACC without the forward looking radar module, but the IPMA is there and ready with the software as soon as it sees the module. So, Ford can ethically claim the truck can't have ACC b/c it doesn't have the radar. If the owner buys a radar and installs it then Ford has no issue with them turning on ACC in the configuration, they're not going to help or promote this of course.

It will likely move more and more this way even with the nodal or hybrid-nodal architecture. Ford will sell you physical hardware (b/c that's what they do). You will always be able to tweak/modify the things they have already programmed in that are tweakable, which are known as "configuration". Sure Ford would like for ONLY their engineers and certified mechanics to change these things, but the money they lose by letting the tech savvy owners play around with configurations and hardware additions is likely negligable; and defintiely negligable compared to the operation and reputation damage they would suffer if they tried to police it.

I agree and may even save a few bux if the hardware is available on Amazing or Fleabay.

 

[Firn]

Just like all configuration changes Ford "interrogates" the truck occasionally and can know (if they cared) that anyone has made a change to any configuration on any module. They don't seem to care thank goodness and I honestly think that part of the reason is they can barely keep the trucks they sell working and out of the warranty shop as is, can you imagine if they started trying to police 30+ modules configurations of every vehicle sold via OTA. It would be a nightmare and I almost guarantee they would break more shit than than the cost they would loose for the few owners they would just certainly piss off.

I, as an engineer of all things both software and hardware have always operated by the idea that if the hardware and software exists within something I physically own. Then I have no ethical issues with doing whatever hacking/reverse engineering/tinkering it takes to make it work. We know that the exact same IPMA for ADAS is used on ALL trucks (all trims). So, that means that every pro and XLT out there has the full BC software on it. This is why Ford tries to nerf certain features based on omitting key pieces of hardware. A simple instance of this is you can't have ACC without the forward looking radar module, but the IPMA is there and ready with the software as soon as it sees the module. So, Ford can ethically claim the truck can't have ACC b/c it doesn't have the radar. If the owner buys a radar and installs it then Ford has no issue with them turning on ACC in the configuration, they're not going to help or promote this of course.

It will likely move more and more this way even with the nodal or hybrid-nodal architecture. Ford will sell you physical hardware (b/c that's what they do). You will always be able to tweak/modify the things they have already programmed in that are tweakable, which are known as "configuration". Sure Ford would like for ONLY their engineers and certified mechanics to change these things, but the money they lose by letting the tech savvy owners play around with configurations and hardware additions is likely negligable; and defintiely negligable compared to the operation and reputation damage they would suffer if they tried to police it.

I think it's safe to say that Ford even goes to some pains to ensure folks can't do dumb things via software. I know that although I can turn on lane centering it won't work unless ACC is available and enabled, it's locked out via firmware. That is just one example, but in spending many hours pouring through the sheets the changes are still relatively benign.

 

[bc1]

I think it's safe to say that Ford even goes to some pains to ensure folks can't do dumb things via software. I know that although I can turn on lane centering it won't work unless ACC is available and enabled, it's locked out via firmware. That is just one example, but in spending many hours pouring through the sheets the changes are still relatively benign.

Yep. And no one has figured out how to make a software change so it will drive 200 mph either.

 

[Heliian]

Just like

I'm talking about the paid service bluecruise, not adding features.

Let me know when you figure it out.

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