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Should be pretty clear by now Ford is not gonna update this thing going forward. I don’t think they care they’re losing so much money on these things. Why would they wanna make them better at an even higher cost, until there’s another Democrat in office at least , Ford is going back to what they’re better at,gas and hybrid where they can make some money. I for one I’m flas the tax credits are over. All it was doing was making the dealers money.. they were getting more for their vehicle vehicles because of the tax credit now they have to discount them like they should’ve been all along. Can’t wait for the tax credit on leases to expire. As a taxpayer, I don’t wanna subsidize someone’s EV.. They are welcome to have them, but I shouldn’t have to pay for it especially not 10% of it or more. And yes, I took advantage of these myself twice., I’m just saying I think it’s all for the best to get rid of them. Manufacturers will have to make a product good enough that customers want to buy it without subsidies..
I look at it different.

The credits were not to pay people to buy the vehicles, the credits were to pay the manufacture to produce a higher COST vehicle and still be able to have it come in at a comparable market price. No matter what, EVs have not quite yet realized the global scale of parts and suppliers that ICE vehicles have, and as a result competition has not yet fully driven costs down to comparable levels (but its getting close).

If we can get around the narrative of EVs being for the environmental benefit, and instead (in the US) being about being competitive in a global market, then the subsidies don't have that icky feeling to them. Or, put another way, if China is heavily subsidizing their EV market so it can get to the point of undercutting existing products in the global market, shouldn't we be doing the same? The US aside, EV market share is growing rapidly, and will continue to do so. But sadly our manufactures are not competitive (Tesla aside). Regardless of if you think we should subsidize the manufactures, the end result is if we dont they will lose (and tariffs are only a stopgap at best), and if we lose, that is manufacturing jobs lost.

We won't convince the world to move away from EVs at this point, so the question is if we will or won't be competitive in the global market.
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This will be an interesting sales year without the federal EV tax credit.
I just did a comparison between my 2023 Lariat and a 2026. The Sep '23 sticker on mine was $80,380. the sticker on the 2026 is $74,480. However mine included options that now cost over $3000 making the '26 slightly less expensive.
 

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That’s encouraging to see!! Looks good too!
 

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STX trim at Electrify Expo in Arlington today.

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This is the best looking Lightning they've ever put on the road so far and it's not even close. If they had this 6 months ago it's what would be in my driveway. That color, those graphics, the wheels, the interior content, the exterior content...it's all perfect.
 

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