ABRP v Google Maps

[Rip]

After reading a lot of good stuff in these forums, I got a dongle and sprang for ABRP Pro. I like it, but I have a couple of observations. One, I would like it even better if it had some method for pulling all my saved destinations from Google Maps. Two, I have noticed that its initial time-to-destination estimates always turn out to be pretty optimistic. I thought it was just my imagination. After using Google Maps for years, I had always been impressed by how precise the arrival estimates turned out to be. With ABRP, it seems that every time, I watch the arrival time slowly tick up.

I thought I would check it this morning. I had a 57-mile drive this morning from Southwest Harbor, ME to Bangor, ME. When I entered the destination, Google Maps said I would arrive at 10:39. ABRP said I'd be there at 10:22. Sure enough, by the time I had left the island it was up to 10:28. I finally arrived at (you guessed it) 10:39 on the dot. Now, I recognize that this is only one actual recorded data point, but I intend to run this test every time I go somewhere for the next few weeks, to see if the difference is consistent.

It makes a difference if you need to be somewhere at a certain time. The uncertainty is always going to grow with distance, but a 17-minute error over 60 miles might mean a late arrival or missed appointment. I have to think that maybe ABRP doesn't have all the near-real-time updates to traffic, construction, etc., or they are not figured into the calculations in the algorithm. Anyone else seen this difference?

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[Webbo85]

So just from a planning perspective I agree completely. ABRP seems to give you a time of about 10% less than what Google Maps gives you, and Google Maps is usually spot on as you said. Maybe it'll get more accurate in time, but for now I'll use the Google time if I need to be somewhere on time.

 

[K6CCC]

Google Maps does have traffic data so it can include that in the time estimate.

 

[mr.Magoo]

With google maps now supporting feedback from our trucks (on SOC) it'll plan charging stops for you automatically so from that aspect abrp is a bit redundant.

 

[flyct]

Do you need an obd2 dongle to use the feed for google EV maps on Apple Car Play to use soc?

Apple maps gets soc directly from the truck and displays estimated % of battery at destination. How can I display % remaining at destination this on Apple Map Google Maps?

 

[mr.Magoo]

On Android its shown automatically and there's no need for a dongle, can't speak for Apple / iOS

 

[Rip]

With google maps now supporting feedback from our trucks (on SOC) it'll plan charging stops for you automatically so from that aspect abrp is a bit redundant.

I had a lot of bad luck trying to let Google Maps plan my stops. After many discussions in this forum with a lot of very helpful people, I decided to try ABRP. It has a lot of flexibility, and seems able to find some compatible chargers that Maps missed.

UPDATE:
After using ABRP for a while, I have to say I have mixed reviews. It's OK, but I missed some of the features of Google Maps. Google Maps gives you traffic info (and Waze notifications) that are not available on ABRP. I think the advantage that Google has, though, is its information about the charging stations. If it's in ABRP, I haven't been able to find it; also, it's not as integrate as Google Maps (e.g., the distance to go and miles left display on the dashboard doesn't show up for me when using ABRP).
On a recent trip from Maine to Massachusetts, I switched back to Google Maps. Touching the charging stops on the screen brought up the charging stops, and showed amenities nearby and other information. I couldn't find similar functionality in the ABRP display.

 

[abcut973]

I too have a dongle for carscanner that I use for ABRP. But I didn't pay for PRO. The free version still gives you more flexibility than google maps (i like the live connection to the truck's data). I did notice the estimated time on ABRP was faster but the accuracy of the SOC at destination was spot on compared to Google maps (more pessimistic).

 

[Rip]

I too have a dongle for carscanner that I use for ABRP. But I didn't pay for PRO. The free version still gives you more flexibility than google maps (i like the live connection to the truck's data). I did notice the estimated time on ABRP was faster but the accuracy of the SOC at destination was spot on compared to Google maps (more pessimistic).

Yeah, I think your're right. I also appreciate the flexibility. I can set the percentage I'm comfortable with instead of using a 20 percent default.

 

[B177y]

For me, ABRP Pro gives a more accurate battery percentage estimate over Google Maps whether I am using an OBD or the data straight from Android Auto. ABRP also has better filtering abilities and much more adjustments than GM. GM does give better time estimates and better routing.

For trips with a charge stop, I still use ABRP. GM suggests weird suggestions for chargers on networks that I don't necessarily want to use when there is a Tesla or EA charger close by. GM also has no way to filter which network to go to, at least I haven't found a way to easily do it. ABRP lets you choose which networks you prefer and which networks you want to avoid.

Arrival SOC is another parameter you can't adjust in GM. I had a trip yesterday that Google Maps suggested a no-name charging stop. While driving, I tried to navigate the option to choose a different charger. After fiddling around with it, GM still suggested another off-brand like ChargePoint or Blink or something like that. I knew I could make it home with plenty of charge, so I switched over to ABRP and I was easily able to adjust it to arrive home with 10% SOC, and it showed that I did not require a charging stop. I was able to do all of that easily while driving. I made it home with 12%. ABRP for the win!

 

[htobin]

We have found that as we get more comfortable with our new Lighting, range anxiety lessens. We pretty much pre plan our stops and simply turn off the suggested recharge stops in Apple Maps. If, f some reason, our preplannig looks off, we use some alternative app to locate a stop. With more and more charging stations available, electric charging becomes less challenging

 

[VTbuckeye]

I sorta plan the route with abrp. Then I search the planned stops in Google maps so that they are in my recent history. I try to charge at around 20 percent. this gives me plenty of opportunity to find a different charging location s little bit further along the planned route.

A couple weeks ago my son and I drove a little over 1000 miles round trip to buy a small sailboat. Charged at my planned stops though I stayed longer and charged much higher than my default 80 percent (was driving at night and slept in the back seat, so charged to high 90s a couple times). Coming back with the boat in tow we charged a little bit more often but there were always options to stop earlier if needed or extend if desired. Charging really was a non-issue and driving a little over 1k miles in 29 hours after a half day of work the charging stops were actually quite appreciated.

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