Any update on a Trailer TMPS system?

[GChurch]

That looks fantastic, @GChurch !

Are you using the yaw sensor or sticker for the Pro Backup option?

For those of us with earlier trucks and the yaw sensor, do you know how it connects in with the TPMS & camera kit you are using?

Thanks!

-Eric

I’m using the sticker, because it came with my truck. But the yaw sensor should be compatible with the camera kit I am using (It says so in the installation guide). There is an extra wire/connector on the camera/tpms kit which I have zip tied and protected for the time being nearby my trailer 12v battery mount. The connector matches the female insert on yaw sensor as far as I can tell.

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[GChurch]

Other than tire pressure, does the TPMS monitor temp? And can you set the alert levels? On my TST TPMS, you can do both. I'd like to have fewer devices to have to manage but don't want to give up much in functionality. BTW, a few of the MOV files are duplicated.

I don't have 360 cameras now so am unfamiliar with the functionaity. Are there options to view the rearview camera continuously, and have other things on the screen? E.g., with nav you can have a small map plus other controls. Can you have a small camera view, plus nav, or plus media controls?

I don’t see any temp option for tpms, or alerts. Feels like if the tire got hot you would see a somewhat substantial increase in pressure, or abnormally low pressure causing it? But feel free to educate me! Thanks for heads up I’ll try to remove duplicate videos.

You can put the trailer camera in split mode with CarPlay or nav or whatever instead of the normal default tailgate camera, not sure if that is 360 camera specific. I think you might need max tow, which fairly certain requires 360 camera? I honestly don’t know. That said If you see option for aux camera like in my video I imagine most of the same functionality should work for you even without max tow and 360 camera

 

[GChurch]

Fom the looks of the SuperDuty kit, they replace the valve stem. The tires have to be dismounted for installation.

Above is true, you have to remove your tires, and take them to a tire shop to have the valve stems installed. I took mine to a Goodyear and they did it for $70.

On a side note highly recommend picking up these 3 ton lift/jacks, they have built in jack stands. 6k lbs rated seems good enough for me, and I keep a jeep TJ in my trailer. Feel more confident in using them in case of blowout than anything else I’ve seen. Did need a 2x8 to add some extra height when putting tires back on w them.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/powerbuilt-3-ton-all-in-one-jack

 

[EricR]

@GChurch ,

If you don‘t mind my asking, how much did you pay each for both the wiring harness and the camera/TPMS kit?

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

I don’t see any temp option for tpms, or alerts. Feels like if the tire got hot you would see a somewhat substantial increase in pressure, or abnormally low pressure causing it? But feel free to educate me! Thanks for heads up I’ll try to remove duplicate videos.

You can put the trailer camera in split mode with CarPlay or nav or whatever instead of the normal default tailgate camera, not sure if that is 360 camera specific. I think you might need max tow, which fairly certain requires 360 camera? I honestly don’t know. That said If you see option for aux camera like in my video I imagine most of the same functionality should work for you even without max tow and 360 camera

My TST TPMS monitors and displays temps continuously. It cycles continuously through each wheel. It's useful because you can see if one tire is consistently different than other wheels. On crappy OEM trailer tires, elevated temps may be caused by tread or belt failures and may foretell a blowout.

Because I already have both a TPMS system and a rear observation camera, and because both the camera and the TPMS from Ford lack functionality found in those, it sounds like the improvement over what I already have is minimal or perhaps none. The camera being integrated into the dash may have added value but the loss in night vision and sound (the Furrion wireless cameras have a mike so you can hear your co-pilot guiding you back) is a trade-off.

Considering that I'd have to pay $100s to replace something I already have, I'll probably pass. If I didn't already have both, I'd probably go for it. That said, I could sell both the TPMS and Furrion camera on ebay to recover some of the cost, getting rid of extra stuff on my dashboard in the process.

 

[daemonic3]

I don’t see any temp option for tpms, or alerts. Feels like if the tire got hot you would see a somewhat substantial increase in pressure, or abnormally low pressure causing it? But feel free to educate me! Thanks for heads up I’ll try to remove duplicate videos.

Depends what you call substantial but there is a noticeable increase with higher temp and decrease with colder temp. The key is that all 4 tires match, or if you have sun on one side of the vehicle that those 2 match and the other 2 match. If one tire is different THEN you worry!

Increasing temperature with a corresponding DECREASING pressure means it is low or losing air.

Increasing temperature without a decreasing pressure means heat is coming from bearings/axle/rim and you have an impending blowout.

 

[dannko58]

My TST TPMS monitors and displays temps continuously. It cycles continuously through each wheel. It's useful because you can see if one tire is consistently different than other wheels. On crappy OEM trailer tires, elevated temps may be caused by tread or belt failures and may foretell a blowout.

Because I already have both a TPMS system and a rear observation camera, and because both the camera and the TPMS from Ford lack functionality found in those, it sounds like the improvement over what I already have is minimal or perhaps none. The camera being integrated into the dash may have added value but the loss in night vision and sound (the Furrion wireless cameras have a mike so you can hear your co-pilot guiding you back) is a trade-off.

Considering that I'd have to pay $100s to replace something I already have, I'll probably pass. If I didn't already have both, I'd probably go for it. That said, I could sell both the TPMS and Furrion camera on ebay to recover some of the cost, getting rid of extra stuff on my dashboard in the process.

So let me ask you, I have a new Airstream that came with the backup camera and has audio, of course a separate monitor, but I like you wonder if this is better than any Ford offering especially at the price, plus the TPMS would probably be better with the TST over the overpriced Ford. Hate having two extra monitors, but would only use them when towing. Plus I have a 21 with two wires and honestly don't understand what was done in the post with the harnesses and such, I got lost trying to figure it out. Sounds like an issue because when I spent this much money on a truck with Max Tow and Powerboost I want plug and play.

 

[GChurch]

@GChurch ,

If you don‘t mind my asking, how much did you pay each for both the wiring harness and the camera/TPMS kit?

I spent $695 on the camera + tpms kit, $150 on the f250 smart-trailer harness, and $75 to have the tire pressure monitors installed. So $915 total

 

[GChurch]

Increasing temperature without a decreasing pressure means heat is coming from bearings/axle/rim and you have an impending blowout.

This is awesome information, and makes perfect sense, thanks for sharing. I can absolutely understand why that would be useful information to have.
With respect to that, I just found this information that indicates it is a feature enabled on 22 f350s. Now just need to figure out if we can forscan and enable it, or if we just need some different tpms monitors. I have hope we can get that feature too.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1673713-trailer-tpms-on-2022-f-350-a.html

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

So let me ask you, I have a new Airstream that came with the backup camera and has audio, of course a separate monitor, but I like you wonder if this is better than any Ford offering especially at the price, plus the TPMS would probably be better with the TST over the overpriced Ford. Hate having two extra monitors, but would only use them when towing. Plus I have a 21 with two wires and honestly don't understand what was done in the post with the harnesses and such, I got lost trying to figure it out. Sounds like an issue because when I spent this much money on a truck with Max Tow and Powerboost I want plug and play.

My TST TPMS monitor is actually small, a little bigger than a pack of cards. It sits in the well at the top of the dash. It's not in the way, costs me nothing additional and has more features. I'd rather not have another "thing" to deal with but the benefits of what I have outweighs the costs, especially the $$$ cost.

As for the camera, I not sure. It's way over-priced at retail but I have one from a SuperDuty I just bought on ebay for $150. I don't like the fact that it's wired and, if I use it, I'll have to run the wire all the way to the back and combine the camera harness with the yaw sensor harness. That's not a huge hurdle.

My bottom line is I can't really make a decision on the camera until I see what it can do for me. I don't know whether the advantages of how it functions in combination with the 360 degree camera and yaw sensor outweigh the decreased image quality. That assumes it is, in fact, lower quality. I can live without IR illumination because I already put bright LED backup lights on the trailer. I can overcome the lack of a mike with a GPRS radio and get two-way communication to boot. If I keep the Ford camera, I'd sell the Furrion.

As for your decision about the camera, I would be dissuaded by cost. Except for having to set up the extra monitor when towing, it's not that much in the way. Since I can't use it, I push my rearview mirror up out of the way and mount the camera monitor in approximately the same position using a suction cup.

Beware that, if you look on ebay you'll find 2017-2022 camera/TPMS kits that lack the TPMS repeater and sensors. The seller may be misled by the description in the instructions.

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

This is awesome information, and makes perfect sense, thanks for sharing. I can absolutely understand why that would be useful information to have.
With respect to that, I just found this information that indicates it is a feature enabled on 22 f350s. Now just need to figure out if we can forescan and enable it, or if we just need some different tpms monitors. I have hope we can get that feature too.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1673713-trailer-tpms-on-2022-f-350-a.html

The fact that it may include temps is great. The cost, including installing the sensors, is not so great.

Edit: beware that replies in the topic linked above indicate that temps are available only with 2022+ sensors. Older sensors don't have that (so they said) so consider that if buying a kit on ebay.

 

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This is awesome information, and makes perfect sense, thanks for sharing. I can absolutely understand why that would be useful information to have.
With respect to that, I just found this information that indicates it is a feature enabled on 22 f350s. Now just need to figure out if we can forscan and enable it, or if we just need some different tpms monitors. I have hope we can get that feature too.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1673713-trailer-tpms-on-2022-f-350-a.html

I just wish I could get the numerical readouts enabled above the gauges. I have that exact cluster, it is also a 22 but have been told that it doesn't work? I have yet to fool with it, because I can't find my elm cable i bought like 3 years ago but never used..

 

[EricR]

@GChurch ,

Sorry to ask so many questions.

Does your truck's TPMS display have a page for temperature (in addition to pressure)?

Thanks for your help!

 

[rainjer]

I just checked an my 2022 502A Lariat with Max Tow and Tech Tow only has 2 wires in the lower plug….. I guess I a SOL unless I want to spend more money….

 

[GChurch]

I just wish I could get the numerical readouts enabled above the gauges. I have that exact cluster, it is also a 22 but have been told that it doesn't work? I have yet to fool with it, because I can't find my elm cable i bought like 3 years ago but never used..

If you do figure out let us know. I have an option to adjust the display, but only hidden option I see is for boost (kind of cool IMO)

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