"Gen 2 F-150 Lightning" development leaked in Ford employees' Linkedin profiles

[ka-chow]

Boy you gotta know it kills Brian @Ford Motor Company to see these threads and not be able to say a word

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[NW Ontario Ford Lightning]

Yeah that smaller electric truck is allegedly on a "fast track" toward production as they call it in the industry. Should see it in 2027 as a '28 model. A lot of this is happening right up the road from me.

I thought T3 was similar in that it's a dedicated EV platform rather than using ICE F-150 bones, but different in that it's a larger truck.

In any case, range is king which is why EREV is even in the discussion. Scout has been taking pre-orders for quite a while now and "over 80%" of people are wanting the range extender. We don't know yet if that's because people simply want more range, or if it's because that version is as close as people can get to an ICE vehicle, but what that does tell us is that they do NOT want a pure EV.

OR
it tells us they don't really know what they want, so they lean towards what seems most familiar.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Boy you gotta know it kills Brian @Ford Motor Company to see these threads and not be able to say a word

I enjoy being employed too much to say anything.

 

[RocketGhost]

I enjoy being employed too much to say anything.

And we enjoy you being the one employed. We appreciate your dedication, sincerity, and humor.

Too often corporate customer service seems like a battle between rival teams. You make it feel like you care and are looking out for us. As a result we respect you and understand the limits of what you can do and say. Everybody wins!

Thank you Brian! Ford has found the perfect man for the job.

 

[Yellow Buddy]

I knew this thing would come in handy some day.

I love the fuel tank as well. It does however need some noise insulation.

A coffee can with some 3M foam adhesive should do...

 

[Maineiac12]

I’m pretty confident that the next gen F-150 Lightning will be an EREV… or at least that will be a trim option alongside a pure EV. It makes too much sense for them not to do it.

 

[sotek2345]

I’m pretty confident that the next gen F-150 Lightning will be an EREV… or at least that will be a trim option alongside a pure EV. It makes too much sense for them not to do it.

I would rather they just stick with basic hybrids and pure EVs. All of the data coming out on plug in hybrid vehicles is that almost no-one ever bothers to plug them in and they end up getting worse efficiency than a non-plug in hybrid, sometimes even worse than the pure ICE variant as well.

 

[Maineiac12]

I would rather they just stick with basic hybrids and pure EVs. All of the data coming out on plug in hybrid vehicles is that almost no-one ever bothers to plug them in and they end up getting worse efficiency than a non-plug in hybrid, sometimes even worse than the pure ICE variant as well.

My wife plugs hers in and gets crazy high mpg because her daily commute is within range of the battery. I don’t think the issue with plug in hybrids is the technology, it’s the implementation from the manufacturer.

Also, EREV is different. There’s no gas engine powering the wheels. It’s still a full electric drivetrain and you get all the power and torque. The difference between an EREV and PHEV is that the EREV has a small gas engine which has only 1 job - charge the battery. That way, it can run quietly and more efficient since it’s tuned for that one purpose. There is still a big battery with enough juice to go 100+ miles on battery alone before the gas engine kicks on and starts to charge it. Ram says that theirs can go 600 miles on a full charge and tank of gas. It should be a good solution for the towing problem and road trip anxiety for a lot of people.

 

[sotek2345]

My wife plugs hers in and gets crazy high mpg because her daily commute is within range of the battery. I don’t think the issue with plug in hybrids is the technology, it’s the implementation from the manufacturer.

Also, EREV is different. There’s no gas engine powering the wheels. It’s still a full electric drivetrain and you get all the power and torque. The difference between an EREV and PHEV is that the EREV has a small gas engine which has only 1 job - charge the battery. That way, it can run quietly and more efficient since it’s tuned for that one purpose. There is still a big battery with enough juice to go 100+ miles on battery alone before the gas engine kicks on and starts to charge it. Ram says that theirs can go 600 miles on a full charge and tank of gas. It should be a good solution for the towing problem and road trip anxiety for a lot of people.

Maybe. I just foresee lots of folks "saving money" by not installing a home charger and letting their truck idle for hours in the driveway to charge the battery.

 

[WXman]

Well I was looking for job listings at the Ford Truck Plant in Louisville, and noticed that elsewhere in the company they are currently hiring engineers and professionals to work on electric vehicle programs. They specifically mention wanting candidates who specialize in battery thermal management systems, high performance electric vehicle systems, and electrified transmission design.

I think it's pretty obvious that Ford isn't stepping away from the EV game, they're just going to focus on cost and efficiency going forward with attention directed toward vehicles that people would actually buy.

 

[Rayden]

Maybe. I just foresee lots of folks "saving money" by not installing a home charger and letting their truck idle for hours in the driveway to charge the battery.

Would people REALLY need to install a charger for those? I've had my Lightning since July and have been home charging using the 110v charger that came with the truck, topping off once a week at a DCFC nearby. My commute is 50 miles daily, so it can't QUITE keep up. So for someone with an EREV or PHEV, would they really need a level 2 at home?

And for what it's worth, I got slow rolled by my first electrician and that slowed me down until I moved on to #2. Now I'm close enough to see if there's any good deals for Black Friday.

 

[sotek2345]

Would people REALLY need to install a charger for those? I've had my Lightning since July and have been home charging using the 110v charger that came with the truck, topping off once a week at a DCFC nearby. My commute is 50 miles daily, so it can't QUITE keep up. So for someone with an EREV or PHEV, would they really need a level 2 at home?

And for what it's worth, I got slow rolled by my first electrician and that slowed me down until I moved on to #2. Now I'm close enough to see if there's any good deals for Black Friday.

Well - not everyone has a 120V outlet near where they park their car, so they would have to install something.

It also depends on how cold it gets where you are. Our first EVSE had to be replaced under warranty, so we had to go without it for a couple weeks in the middle of an upstate NY winter. This was in a Mach-e, not a lighting, but all of the charging power went to keeping the battery warm and we still lost a few % over night, every night. No nearby DCFC at the time (early 2022), so we had to leave it at a level 2 charger a few miles away for 4-5 hours every night. Not fun.

 

[Altivec]

My wife plugs hers in and gets crazy high mpg because her daily commute is within range of the battery. I don’t think the issue with plug in hybrids is the technology, it’s the implementation from the manufacturer.

Also, EREV is different. There’s no gas engine powering the wheels. It’s still a full electric drivetrain and you get all the power and torque. The difference between an EREV and PHEV is that the EREV has a small gas engine which has only 1 job - charge the battery. That way, it can run quietly and more efficient since it’s tuned for that one purpose. There is still a big battery with enough juice to go 100+ miles on battery alone before the gas engine kicks on and starts to charge it. Ram says that theirs can go 600 miles on a full charge and tank of gas. It should be a good solution for the towing problem and road trip anxiety for a lot of people.

you just wait a few more years and see if you have the same opinion. I thought my EREV Cadillac ELR was the best thing ever. Until I found out that small battery in there takes a beating. You chew through its life cycles like no tomorrow. constant engine issues and maintenance due to it not being used. Lack of 3rd party mechanics that will touch it due to its complexity.

I get it, because I felt the same as you. BUT... I will never buy a hybrid or EREV again. Battery tech and infrastructure just keeps on improving. Wasting development and factory funds on ancient/inferior technology while your competitors are doubling down on future technologies will not end well.

My hope for Gen 2 lightning is that in their quest to cheapen it, they make sure it stays a truck. I bought a lightning over its competitors because it's really a truck.

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