NACS + J1772 Home Charger -- Tesla Universal Wall Connector launched

[Zprime29]

Tom put out an update today with a demo on using the adapter. It locks onto the plug similar to the magic dock.

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[GoodSam]

$600, it is typically not eligible for utility discount/rebate

My utility rebated $400 for my Tesla 1772 gen 3.

And as for its reliability, I am only using it at 40A and the printed circuit board gets up over 153F at that load. The garage, where it is mounted, is probably at least 95F while outside is less than 80F. The Amp draw from each leg is not even, one shows about 21.0 and the other about 18.4 (I need to test it at a 48A and 32A loads to compare the heating effect) but over 150F is already scary to me. Although I think I saw someone had a temperature at the PCB over 200F when it started to limit itself. (see: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...perature-readings-in-wall-monitor-app.298832/ ) I think about the stress on the materials as they go from ambient temperatures (0F or lower perhaps) to over 150F. I bet at 48A, the PCB will have 26A on one leg, raising temps there higher. Android Tewamo App to monitor the Tesla wall connector:

Saw about 106F at the 60A circuit breaker exposed surface. The black rubber handle temp in the sun I have seen over 120F, so really testing some material capabilities with these chargers.

 

[shutterbug]

My utility rebated $400 for my Tesla 1772 gen 3.

Awesome on both counts. $400 seems to be on the high end based on what most utilities do. And getting a rebate on Tesla EVSE seem unusual.

 

[GoodSam]

getting a rebate on Tesla EVSE seem unusual.

I think any Level 2 charger would qualify:
https://3cenergy.org/rebates/electrify-your-ride-residential/
Ooops, there are some conditions. Click on "Rebates", but also see FYI's at the bottom:
"EV Charger eligibility requirements include:

1. Level 2 Charger (requires 240-volt power source).
2. Must be Wi-Fi enabled (“networked”)
3. Must be purchased new (not refurbished).
4. Must be certified by Underwriters Laboratory Inc. (“UL Listed”)

To check if your EV Charger is eligible, please visit https://homecharging.electricforall.org/home-chargers-incentives-catalog/. "
Which leads to this, where the "incentives" do not match the rebates listed back at the Electrify your Ride site:

 

[shutterbug]

I think any Level 2 charger would qualify:
https://3cenergy.org/rebates/electrify-your-ride-residential/
Ooops, there are some conditions. Click on "Rebates", but also see FYI's at the bottom:
"EV Charger eligibility requirements include:

1. Level 2 Charger (requires 240-volt power source).
2. Must be Wi-Fi enabled (“networked”)
3. Must be purchased new (not refurbished).
4. Must be certified by Underwriters Laboratory Inc. (“UL Listed”)

To check if your EV Charger is eligible, please visit https://homecharging.electricforall.org/home-chargers-incentives-catalog/. "
Which leads to this, where the "incentives" do not match the rebates listed back at the Electrify your Ride site:

The $293 incentive shown here, is applicable to ALL chargers. It's the 30% federal tax credit. I am talking about utility company incentives such as these:
https://marketplace.aps.com/ev-chargers/
https://srpmarketplace.com/electric...gXP5Slq66NizwRiOUuPXRC0dm7IhFN3IaAoRuEALw_wcB

 

[Roy2001]

It is regular Tesla charger + J1772 adapter right?

 

[Zprime29]

It is regular Tesla charger + J1772 adapter right?

Yes, the adapter is built into the base and will only release when it is powered. The adapter locks onto the NACS handle while in use.

 

[timtim2008]

it is typically not eligible for utility discount/rebate.

why not?

 

[Zprime29]

Tucson Electric requires that the EVSE be connected (so they can throttle it if needed I assume) and only have a couple certified for the rebate. I asked and couldn't get a straight answer if any others will be certified in the future.

 

[shutterbug]

why not?

I can't answer that. You would need to ask the utility companies. Here in Phoenix, the 2 utilities have different list of chargers and different processes. So far no one on this forum has pointed to utility that offers discount or rebate for Tesla chargers.

 

[timtim2008]

I can't answer that. You would need to ask the utility companies. Here in Phoenix, the 2 utilities have different list of chargers and different processes. So far no one on this forum has pointed to utility that offers discount or rebate for Tesla chargers.

thats odd, ours is the same way, they wont for tesla charger. but they will give the $250 rebate, if you buy a tesla and the charger was included in bill of sale.

 

[mr.Magoo]

$400 seems to be on the high end based on what most utilities do. And getting a rebate on Tesla EVSE seem unusual.

Michigan power companies (DTE & Consumers) have an $500 incentive on chargers as long as they are Energy Star certified, something which both versions (Tesla plug and J1772) of the Wall Connector gen3 are.
Point is, some may not list the Tesla chargers specifically by name, but they'd still qualify based on the Energy Star (which few chargers are) certification / requirement.

 

[Maquis]

Michigan power companies (DTE & Consumers) have an $500 incentive on chargers as long as they are Energy Star certified, something which both versions (Tesla plug and J1772) of the Wall Connector gen3 are.
Point is, some may not list the Tesla chargers specifically by name, but they'd still qualify based on the Energy Star (which few chargers are) certification / requirement.

Which is really kind of silly since EVSEs don’t consume any appreciable power. They are basically just a smart switch.
My guess is that every EVSE could be Energy Star certified if the manufacturer wanted to spend the money.

 

[Pioneer74]

Michigan power companies (DTE & Consumers) have an $500 incentive on chargers as long as they are Energy Star certified, something which both versions (Tesla plug and J1772) of the Wall Connector gen3 are.
Point is, some may not list the Tesla chargers specifically by name, but they'd still qualify based on the Energy Star (which few chargers are) certification / requirement.

Can you limit the charge times through the Tesla EVSE or is it limited to the setting in the car? I believe that is a requirement for Consumers Power.

When I went to apply for the install credit last year, they only had a couple of EVSE's to choose from. I found it better to get the monthly credit and buy the Emporia. It's nice to see they have a better selection to choose from now.

 

[mr.Magoo]

Can you limit the charge times through the Tesla EVSE or is it limited to the setting in the car? I believe that is a requirement for Consumers Power.

Don't know, I ended up getting a Chargepoint (for other reasons).

I have DTE and an interesting thing I'd that they just rolled out a program where they will "pause" your charging during certain/peak times (kind of like the cool currents program they have for ACs).
You can still override the "pause" through the app.
They will do that through FordPass (email came from Ford) and not through the charger.

The chargepoint app has settings for your energy provider and plans so it takes care of scheduling for off peak charging and reports accurate costs as a result.

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