New to EV. Trying to decide between SR and ER to keep 200k+ miles with 100 mile daily commute.

[Tabasco2]

Hi new to everything. New to forums, looking to be new to EV’s. Currently have a 2025 Ram1500 bighorn hurricane. Came from a 2016 ram1500 eco diesel that got 202k miles in 8 years.
I am considering 2024 or 2023 XLT SR or Lariat ER. I drive 100 miles a day for work mostly highway. 50 miles at 70 mph, 40 miles at 60 mph and then 10 miles of 35-40 mph. I plan on keeping the truck for 10 years hopefully and usually put 22k-25k miles on it a year. I prefer the non large screen of the XLT over the massive vertical one but also want rear sliding window so that leaves me with the large screen lariat from my research.
My internal debate with the SR vs ER is battery degradation over the 10 years but also some what range anxiety being new to EV. SR look to be $10K -$12k cheaper but really with going from my current Ram ( 22mpg) i will make that price back in a couple years. I also live in south florida and FPL has 30 month unlimited charging off peak so electric is almost free. Has anyone had experience with the fpl program. Has anyone gotten the ER and said man I wish I just got the SR?
Im looking at a couple different options but for the most part 2023-2024 Lariat ER gold certifed 10-15k miles there around $56-$58k is that about right? Is one year better or more sought after than the other? They also show as commercial vehicle use on carfax from Michigan any concerns with that?
Thank you for any help
Sean

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[hturnerfamily]

I suppose you are saying 100 miles for work, 'round trip'... or essentially 100 miles total?...

well, if you are using less than 1/2 of the SR battery pack each day, 5 days a week, mostly, you certainly have no problems... just plug in each night, or, well, every other night... you don't even have to get 100% 'full' each time since you are not using 'that much'...

A) I have a 60,000 mile-driven PRO SR, even pulling our 3,200-3,800lb campers HALF of that, over the last almost exactly THREE years... and have never had any issues. Pucker moments? of course, but you learn real quickly. Do I wish I had an ER? Absolutely not. Why would I spend $15,000 to $20,000 more, at a MINIMUM, for a slightly larger battery pack? Doesn't make sense for me.

B) Any ER owner will likely NEVER tell you that they'd 'go down' to a SR battery pack - why would they? They've spent the money. But, some will argue that no one could ever get 'by' with a standard range anything... oh well. I imagine that v8 truck owners also feel the same about going 'down' to a 6 cylinder... not gonna happen.

as to any 'degradation' concerns, there is little to suggest that these huge battery packs are having any issues with MILES... many of us have put many, many miles on them and have seen nothing to suggest that... I think it's an unrealistic concern.

 

[Joe.....Montana]

Welcome to the forum....you will get a wide assortment of opinions on SR vs ER. It really comes down to use and location (meaning, winter range loss, which you won't experience). Will you be using your truck for long roadtrips? If not, SR will work great. If so, I would consider ER (there will be plenty of people who disagree with me). When charging on roadtrips you get throttled down pretty hard at 80%...for me, the ER was fairly important because I need the miles on roadtrips and want to leave the chargers at 80%. But I also live in Montana which is somewhat of a charging desert. Enjoy the wide opinions....

 

[Shmoe]

I suppose you are saying 100 miles for work, 'round trip'... or essentially 100 miles total?...

well, if you are using less than 1/2 of the SR battery pack each day, 5 days a week, mostly, you certainly have no problems... just plug in each night, or, well, every other night... you don't even have to get 100% 'full' each time since you are not using 'that much'...

A) I have a 60,000 mile-driven PRO SR, even pulling our 3,200-3,800lb campers HALF of that, over the last almost exactly THREE years... and have never had any issues. Pucker moments? of course, but you learn real quickly. Do I wish I had an ER? Absolutely not. Why would I spend $15,000 to $20,000 more, at a MINIMUM, for a slightly larger battery pack? Doesn't make sense for me.

B) Any ER owner will likely NEVER tell you that they'd 'go down' to a SR battery pack - why would they? They've spent the money. But, some will argue that no one could ever get 'by' with a standard range anything... oh well. I imagine that v8 truck owners also feel the same about going 'down' to a 6 cylinder... not gonna happen.

as to any 'degradation' concerns, there is little to suggest that these huge battery packs are having any issues with MILES... many of us have put many, many miles on them and have seen nothing to suggest that... I think it's an unrealistic concern.

Not that it's born out this way to actually matter, but one other point on the ER and a bigger pack in general would be less charge cycles on the battery.

Also I drove a standard range model 3 with 43kWh usable after degradation for 117k and it was absolutely fine. But now having a much larger pack i find that to be much more optimal.

 

[jimfigler]

Where do you live? Cold winters?

 

[Joe.....Montana]

Where do you live? Cold winters?

OP said they live in Florida...so they "freeze" when it hits 60...

 

[frautumn]

I love my Lariat SR, never had any issues that made me wish I had an ER battery. The people that really need ER are those in cold weather areas who either have a long commute or tow often. Welcome to the forum and let us know what you get!

 

[CD4TNF]

SR is fine for most folks daily use. Your situation sounds like it would work.

25,000 miles / year is about 100 miles round trip daily.

All I know about Florida and Lightnings is owners enjoy powering their home during the regular hurricane power outages. V2L or V2H setups, or even a bunch of extension cords. Keep food from going bad. Cook food during the power outages. Keep the A/C running in the house. Recommend the ProPower On Board 9kW add-on.

 

[Tabasco2]

Thank you everyone for the response's
Joe you are correct below 60 is now like freezing. I can appreciate the cold though lived in nw ohio for 15 years.

I think a lot of it is range anxiety and getting used to the idea of not having far range but not needing far range just have gotten accustom to it.

Shmoe your point of the m3 battery size I think is what one of the long term concerns with getting the battery to 10 years or 250k miles. Is there much value in EV’s once they get to that high of milage? Are battery swaps comparable to engine swap cost?

one of the recalls on a truck im looking at is for rood leaks. Does anyone know if this is from the large glass pains or the normal rear high mount tail light/ rear sliding window that most trucks will experience

 

[sotek2345]

To me (as an ER owner), given you are in Florida the SR should be fine for the use case you laid out. If you plan to do a lot of longer road trips (over 350 miles one way) with it the ER might be worth it to reduce the number of charging stops.

• I wouldn't worry about battery degradation, our batteries seem to be holding up just fine with some folks over 150k already with minimal degradation.
• One other point to consider is resale value. My best guess is that the ER will hold it's value better as range in the market is still trending upwards. That said, if you are firm on your plan to keep it long term, that isn't really an issue for you.

 

[Randall Stephens]

SR has a bit less HP.

 

[Timeless Epoch]

Longevity seemed to be one of your primary goals. Living in FL, you'd want to be in a lower SOC as much as possible. The ER battery will help with that while giving you the range you need.

 

[Grumpy2]

Welcome, you will find a large cross section of truck users here using their trucks in many ways. Your history with the 2016 diesel should be easily surpassed with a Lightning. As long as FPL keeps those deals, it is a great idea to buy a EV. The use of DC fast charging will at least triple your cost per mile, but is always available for that range anxiety.

I charge at night on a 50 amp breaker using 40amp and and recently got 68% back into the battery in 7 hr 18 min. I and some other folks here like to use the center portion of the rated battery capacity to obtain the best battery health, that is if the SR was rated 240 miles, assume 192 miles without any concerns and longest life.

I generally keep the max charge between 80-85% and try not to go below 20% - but I don't always follow my own rules. This is the same SR or ER batteries. I do charge up to 90-100% a couple of times per year when needed.

If you search here for sunroof leaks, you will find several threads. My humble SR Pro model lacks it but Ford has an issue with the sunroof drain. See: https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...bly-replacement-and-repair.28814/#post-546284

What the trucks are going to be worth in 10 years, no one knows. But with travel cost in single digits (less than $0.10/mile) for many folks and without costs of oil and brake jobs the salvage cost is 10 years is less important.

When I lived in Ft.Myers I had a 10kW gas genset for power outages. I now have the equal to that 10kW with the Lightning and I don't burn the gas or listen to the noise of the generator.

Good Luck with your decision

 

[PreservedSwine]

I got a standard range, and regret not getting the extended.
I don't think anyone bought an extended range and has regrets of not getting a standard.

 

[Maquis]

You should be fine with an SR. The battery degradation concern of the smaller battery is mitigated somewhat by the fact that it‘s an LFP battery.

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